Posted on 01/05/2005 5:49:28 AM PST by netmilsmom
The Schizzies will run down Burke (just like Bruskewitz) because they HATE orthodox prelates of the Church.
CF. the words of Christ--'they will hate you as they have hated Me,'
Does Dolan still do that? Whazzup with Dolan lately? He's dropped off the radar.
It IS a Roman Catholic church,with the editor, none the less, of the Ligourian magazine in residence there.
How can Burke allow such a thing?
(it is a beautiful old church, which at least on the outside even looks Catholic.)
Your Judas example is illuminating. Judas, as you recall, was NOT a Bishop of the Church.
Which goes to show that laymen, TOO, can be thieves.
"Off the radar" is right. AFAIC, he should have begun the trials and executions here about 6 months ago, but he does not have the, ah, intestinal fortitude.
As to the other question--I think he's keeping the system running. Actual results will begin to show this June. It will be interesting to see what happens to the QueerClub boyzzz...
"The Archdiocese of Milwaukee employs a "layman input" system for appointing parish pastors. A bunch of Puzzle Palace bureaucrats comes out to the parish in question and takes "input" from the gathered sheeples."
Just as I said in post #158.
"As to the selection of bishops by the laity, I cannot but fear that the paid lay diocesan staff would be the real power in such a process."
We are better off when good and holy bishops pick other bishops.
Where are the good and holy bishops?
Are there any out there without major chinks in their armor?
I said the SSPX probably owns the chapels. Let me amend that. I believe that the laity has its names on a lot of the deeds. Another word I'd like to add to describe SSPX bishops is "humble." They simply do not exude arrogance as Novus Ordo bishops do. Burke may be a conservative--but he sounds arrogant, typical of his class, prone to use spiritual blackmail to get his way, using denial of the sacraments as a club to beat down opposition. This may win him the day--but it shows little respect for the sensibilities of the laity and spreads resentment like a wildfire.
"Judas, as you recall, was NOT a Bishop of the Church."
He wasn't ordained and consecrated with the other apostles?
One can deduce that it is a Ligourian-operated parish--similar to a Jesuit-operated parish (in all the wrong ways.)
Generally, while the Bishop of a Diocese has the power to remove the faculties of Order priests (and some state that a Bishop has the power to 'throw out' the entire Order,) Bishops are at a bit of a disadvanatage because the "normal channels" are to go through the Order's superior-general to effect changes. It's a bit political.
In this case it would also affect a Ligourian magazine editor, which is a bit like poking at a hornet's nest to get them to go away.
Oremus pro corragio (mixed linguistics, there...)
"Burke may be a conservative--"
I am not sure that he is. I wonder how he will handle the issue at St. Alphonsus that LOI brought up in post #135?
"which is a bit like poking at a hornet's nest "
Maybe it's time he and the others picked up their smokers and put on their bee suit and veil.
You lost me with the corragio. Although my Latin is adequate my Italian is weak to non-existent.
"Hmmmm. Laymen have a say in appointing the priests who serve them.
I like that even better."
Only as long as deacons get a say as well!:)
Having said that, if you look at the stats. for the English Church, prior to the Reformation, as many as 1/3 to 1/2 the clergy were in the employ of lay guilds and associations. Such a proposal would therefore not be quite so novel as it might seem.
Lay consultation would work if it were real. And if it included real power to shut off the money valve. And if it included input regarding Rome's appointments.
There's a bunch of them right here in the USA. Bruskewitz, Burke, Myers, Dolan (good guy, but no guts), among others.
Many on this thread seem to want absolute perfection--not only in a Bishop, but in the Bishop's Diocese. No sinners, no wackos...
Well--good luck.
"The Schizzies will run down Burke (just like Bruskewitz) because they HATE orthodox prelates of the Church. CF. the words of Christ--'they will hate you as they have hated Me,'"
Funny how you project outward the hate you yourself feel. Your own words betray you.
"Your Judas example is illuminating. Judas, as you recall, was NOT a Bishop of the Church."
Wrong again. Judas was one of the chosen twelve. When he hanged himself he was replaced by a vote of the eleven.
Why assume that "paid lay diocesan staff" would do the picking? If the empowerment were real and not illusory the laity would have real input. It can only be real if it is truly independent of diocesan authority.
"Many on this thread seem to want absolute perfection--not only in a Bishop, but in the Bishop's Diocese. No sinners, no wackos"
A good start would be having bishops who were straight and Catholic.
"Bruskewitz, Burke, Myers, Dolan (good guy, but no guts), among others."
I fear very few others.
We need lots more good guys (with guts) for any real reform to take place.
I don't know of a good bishop within a thousand miles, except perhaps Vasa in Baker City. As far as I know he has no Latin Masses in his diocese and appears to have little if any regional influence. On the plus side I have heard that Mass is less loosey-goosey since he took over.
I fear very few others.
We need lots more good guys (with guts) for any real reform to take place.
I don't know of a good bishop within a thousand miles, except perhaps Vasa in Baker City. As far as I know he has no Latin Masses in his diocese and appears to have little if any regional influence. On the plus side I have heard that Mass is less loosey-goosey since he took over.
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