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1 posted on 01/11/2005 1:07:15 PM PST by truthfinder9
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Been all kinds of buzz on the net about Flew flying from the koop! The secularists are dismayed as well. Flew was a 'father' of the movement.


2 posted on 01/11/2005 1:21:11 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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"It comes from the Intelligent Design movement, led by Dr. Phillip Johnson and particularly the work of Michael Behe, the Lehigh biochemist who has proven the "irreducible complexity" of the human cell structure."

What an incredible statement, considering this 'proof' is not only missing from the scientific literature, but is outright denounced by much of the scientific community on their websites like the AAAS and NAS.

This entire article, whether true or not, is based on the dumbest logic possible. Namely, that if evolution can somehow be found lacking in its ability to explain the universe, then obviously the universe was created by magic! This logic could not be more ridiculous, it is dishonest and just plain stupid.

"In fact, he told a group last May that he considers both the Christian God and the Islamic God to be "omnipotent Oriental despots—cosmic Saddam Husseins.""

Amen, if he did believe, sounds like he wouldn't worship them anyway...

"When he reads the first chapter of Genesis, Flew says he's impressed that a book written thousands of years ago harmonizes with twenty-first-century science."

I looked this up, specifically he refers to the 6 days of creation. After the fact prophecy can pretty easy to do, look at Nostradamus' predictions. Since the bible was inspiration for expert theologians to conclude the universe is 5-10 thousand years old for over a thousand years, until SCIENCE told them differently, I'd say Flew's logic is questionable at best.

If the bible is such a rich source of scientific understanding, then why don't you divulge a couple of these secrets that have yet to be uncovered for the betterment of man? I know that once science explains them, you will be one of the people hastily looking through the bible for any weak link that could be used to claim the bible said it first. So how about actually SAYING it first for once instead of waiting around for science?

"The evidence is there for all who will look, as his one-time adversary C. S. Lewis discovered, and as more and more thinking intellectuals are discovering today."

More and more thinking intellectuals? Do a poll at your nearest research or engineering center on who believes in a personal god. Then go to your nearest trailer park and ask the same question.... You don't need to do you? We already know the answer. Education is inversely proportional to faith.

Regardless, this is all moot since proving or disproving evolution has absolutely nothing to do with the supernatural.

BTW truthfinder9, I am still waiting for you to give me the names of those 'hardcore' journals that publish ID papers that are a 'tier or two' higher than Science and Nature and the PNAS within the scientific literature. Just admit you made it up and I'll stop asking for them, else, provide the names.


5 posted on 01/11/2005 3:31:13 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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Wasn't this some kind of Internet legend? I thought Flew came out and said he was still an Atheist? Not that its really important, I just assume hear about Flew's favorite Woody Allen movie.
6 posted on 01/11/2005 6:13:59 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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This is a rather weak argument known as the "God of the Gaps", that anything for which science does not currently have an explanation must be the handiwork of God. (This has the unfortunate side-effect that any time scientific knowledge increases, God's domain is diminished.) It's much more honorable to simply say "I don't know".


7 posted on 01/11/2005 9:14:07 PM PST by Pythonista
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Yesterday, I caught part of Dennis Prager's show discussing Flew's change of mind. Prager interviewed Gerald Schroeder, author of, THE HIDDEN FACE OF GOD. I wish I would have caught the entire show from the start, because Schroeder was fascinating. Here's a link to Schroeder's website for anyone interested.

http://www.geraldschroeder.com/


14 posted on 01/14/2005 8:44:12 AM PST by 1 spark
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