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To: netmilsmom
Pardon my chiming. I do not know the origin of the orans position, and as far as using it while you are praying in private doesn't seem like a problem to me.

The controversy/problem occurs when the laity use it during the mass, when it is proscribed only for the priest. The subtle or not so subtle message is a diminishment of the unique and distinct role of the priest, who is offering the sacrifice of the mass on our behalf, in Persona Christi.

21 posted on 01/14/2005 6:29:00 AM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE; sandyeggo; NYer; Marcellinus; netmilsmom
"The controversy/problem occurs when the laity use it during the mass, when it is proscribed only for the priest. The subtle or not so subtle message is a diminishment of the unique and distinct role of the priest, who is offering the sacrifice of the mass on our behalf, in Persona Christi."

Murph: That's a very interesting observation. You know, the word liturgia is Greek and means "Work of the People". I say the observation is interesting because it demonstrates how the liturgy in the West and the Liturgy in the East have developed in different directions insofar as the phronema or mindset of the Churches is concerned. I can see exactly what you are saying if I look at it in the context of Roman liturgics. No matter how old or venerable the practice may be in the East, it looks like another innovation in the West and it certainly does physically show an involvement of the people in the act of the liturgy to an extent perhaps previously not engaged in for many centuries in the West.
26 posted on 01/14/2005 10:11:12 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: murphE

You nailed it.


27 posted on 01/14/2005 11:10:16 AM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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To: murphE

I know the priest assumes that posture at several points during the Mass, but is it not the prescribed posture for all during Our Father?


29 posted on 01/14/2005 2:06:42 PM PST by annalex
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