Skip to comments.Catholic Schools showing the Vagina Monologues
Posted on 02/07/2005 11:44:53 AM PST by dangus
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How about blaming the Catholics and the mainline Protestants? Emmaus Bible College isn't showing it. I doubt you'll see it at Oral Roberts or Bob Jones universities, either.
Exactly for what educational reason is the Vagina Monologues being shown to these schools?
Oh, I get it!
This means Barbara Boxer is scheduled to speak, right?
University of Toledo?!? Since I received my undergrad degree there I know its not Catholic. I'm just glad I've never supported the school after I left.
Augustana College(s) (there are two of them) are Lutheran. ELCA, maybe? I believe all of the other schools on your "maybe Catholic" list are secular.
College of St. Mary / Nebraska is not in Bp. Bruskewitz's diocese (Lincoln) but in the diocese of Omaha, hence, the question you should be asking is, "Where is Bishop Curtiss?"
All in all, a nice list of schools to which you should not consider sending your son or daughter. (And there are many more.)
Concordia University, River Forest is also Lutheran, but LCMS.
If Drake has any religious affiliation, it's news to me.
Yes, but a "bible college" withstanding the temptations research univesities face isn't all that impressive. It's kind of like applauding the Amish for not watching Sex and the City.
It's not Catholic? Then why do people say "Holy Toledo?" ;^D
Co-educational, non-denominational, private
Mount Holyoke College is a highly selective, nondenominational, residential, liberal arts college for women ...Founded in 1837 by chemist and revolutionary educator Mary Lyon, Mount Holyoke is the nation's oldest continuing institution of higher learning for women. It was the first of the Seven Sistersthe female equivalent of the predominantly male Ivy League.
By the way, I did mean to say, "Don't blame JUST the Catholics;" you do have somewhat of a point.
It's not Catholic? Then why do people call it "Holy Oke?" ;^D.
O wait, I did that joke already with Toledo. It sucked pretty bad then, too. :^)
Actually, it was pretty cute. But it made me think.....
I say Holy Smokes! but I don't think any better of my cigarettes.
Frankly, I couldn't care less whether you're impressed by it. Often the best way to resist temptations is to avoid the situations that produce them.
Let's make sure I'm getting your point. Are you now saying it's okay for your Catholic "research univesities" [sic] to show the V. Monologues, in order to appeal to the world around (and infesting) them?
Is there someplace where I can just withdraw my membership from this sick modern society?
No, I think he's saying that he wouldn't expect the world to infest a Bible college to the extent it might infest someplace actively trying to integrate faith into the life of a larger school.
A Bible college (unless I'm misunderstanding your term) is more analogous to a Catholic seminary than to someplace like Notre Dame. Aren't most of the people there studying for the ministry, interested in marrying a minister, or otherwise studying some faith-related subject ... hence the name "Bible College"?
A better analogy to e.g., Notre Dame would be someplace like Baylor. AFAIK, Baylor is staying pretty solid. (My wife went there for a time, and still gets some of their literature.) But they have a continuous fight on their hands.
Most of the larger, originally Protestant schools long ago became completely secularized, though. The Catholic schools apostatized in the 1960's after Humanae Vitae (the reiteration of the condemnation of contraception).
There are only about 10 authentically Catholic colleges left in the US, none of which are on this list.
No, absolutely not! But they do feel pressure to get grants, accredidations, rankings, etc. While it is definitely evil to put such things ahead of remaining a Christian university, and certainly even more evil to market oneself as a Christian university while allowing oneself to be so perverted; I was just recognizing that such pressures create a pressure bible colleges do not face.
Grant-writers and accrediting boards frown greatly on what they call censorship; even moreso on "discriminating" against heretical professors. If you then hire secular professors to teach secular subjects, you still find yourself with scads of secularists running around, implementing policies and protesting assertions of authenticity. If you resist hiring secula professors, good luck getting accredidation.
We could use a lot of missionaries in places like Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran and even Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt. Sure, those societies are even sicker, but of you're going to punch out, you might as well punch out as a martyr.
The one I mentioned offers a Bachelors degree in Elementary Education. Fully accredited, too.
But, I didn't limit my list to Bible colleges; he did. I also mentioned Oral Roberts University. Certainly ORU appeals to more than just ministers and marrying.
At any rate, thanks for mentioning Baylor. It may be the best example of the point I was trying to make.
And you're right, and neither do the real Catholic colleges.
Places like Georgetown and Fordham are barely more Catholic than USC is Methodist or Harvard is Calvinist. They still have a legal affiliation with a Catholic religious order, but when they hit a conflict between Catholicism and the world, they run like rabbits. In fact, they've officially committed themselves to run like rabbits in something called the "Land'O'Lakes accord", in the interest of "academic freedom" (that is, the "freedom" to become Catholic versions of USC or Harvard).
Notre Dame is better, but just barely.
It sickens me to think that there are so many people out there that would support banning The Vagina Monologues. Have you seen them? Have you bothered to look more deeply into a topic that you're so ready to condone?
The Vagina Monologues are not a staged performance of low-grade pornography, or sinful behavior, they are stories of women who have triumphed over the worst odds, survived countess horrors, and courageously continue to live their lives despite they many setbacks they've encountered. They are about women who can feel comfortable with who they are, who radiate spirituality and faith. Each member of every audience that goes to see them leaves the room with a renewed sense of spirituality that can only be achieve by the utmost inspiration, gained from the amazing stories of these women.
My high school produced a version of The Vagina Monologues, and I have to tell you, I'm so proud of them for it. The sense of strength it gave the women in the production was amazing. I've never seen anything like it.
By turning away from this production for "moral" reasons, without really learning about it, you have self-censored one of the most revolutionary and positive productions for women that I've ever seen. We need to take pride in our bodies, just the way God made them. We need to learn to love ourselves, just as He does. If God did not want us to celebrate our uniqueness, every piece, every inch of ourselves, He would not have made individuals, with different hearts, hands, feet, VAGINAS.
So, before turning from this powerful display of female strength, a testament to God's amazing presence on earth, take a chance to see it, learn more about it, experience its power.
Brand new to FR, huh?
Believe me, we know why it is an atrocity that Catholic University students are being FORCED AGINAST THEIR WILL with NO RECOURSE to watch this play. That anyone feels empowered by it, is truly sad. Not that they were empowered, but that their spirituality is so depraved that such depravity can elevate them.
Rule #1 around FR: Never presume ignorance on the part of critics. People around here know what they are commenting on.
for the pedagogy of cunning womyn.
"There are only about 10 authentic Catholic colleges left in the US, none of which are on this list."
I know the one you sited, then there's Ave Maria, FL, Univ. of Dayton,
What are the others?
These are colleges, the students there are adults.
Perhaps those adults will have the opportunity to attend, or not, at their own discretion.
So what's the problem?
The issue is that this is what the universities in question have chosen to promote and fund.
"The schools are "showing: this production?
Are their Theater Departments putting the play on, or is the play being allowed to be produced at the university campus?
Either way, so what? If the students don't wish to see it, they won't go.
I suspect that this production is "making the circuit" and university venues are the only option. It probably doesn't draw enough to be put on in the larger markets.
Bottom line: I think you're either overeating or trying to make some "point" about Catholic Schools.
I know the one you sited, then there's Ave Maria, FL, Univ. of Dayton,
What are the others?
Faith and Family contacted Catholic institutions of higher learning and gave them a survey asking each about their oath of fidelity and adherence to the Mandatum. Click on the link to see the ones that made the authentically Catholic list. Not very many. One that wasn't included that I've seen on every other list is Benedictine College in Atchison, Kansas.
They are claiming to be Catholic. That's the problem.
The back cover of my paperback edition of The Vagina Monologues asserts (1) that its principal aim is to be a celebration of female sexuality in all its complexity and mystery and (2) that it has been hailed as a bible for a new generation of women. I would argue that both of these claims are false. First, far from celebrating the complexity and mystery of female sexuality, The Vagina Monologues simplifies and demystifies it by reducing it to the vagina. In contrast, Roman Catholic teaching sees female sexuality as ordered toward a loving giving of self to another in a union of body, mind, and soul that is ordered to the procreation of new life. The deeper complexity and mystery lies in the capacity of human sexuality, both male and female, to sacramentalize the love of God in marriage. Any depiction of female sexuality that neglects its unitive and procreative dimensions diminishes its complexity, its mystery, and its dignity. Moreover, to explore fully the dignity of woman requires not only a consideration of female sexuality, but also of the capacity of women for intellectual, artistic, moral, and spiritual activity; none of these dimensions are featured in The Vagina Monologues.
Second, the description of the play as a new bible is an indication that its depiction of female sexuality is meant to displace the traditional Biblical view that inspires the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. The two positions are deeply and diametrically opposed. Nowhere is this clearer than in a monologue wherein the alcohol-fueled seduction of a sixteen-year-old girl by a twenty-four-year-old woman is described as resulting in salvation and a kind of heaven. What is thus characterized in traditional religious language is instead abusive, demeaning, exploitative, and morally wrong according to the true Bible. Precisely because its depiction of female sexuality is so deeply at odds with the true meaning and morality that the Catholic Churchs teaching celebrates, The Vagina Monologues is not an appropriate play to be performed on our campus. Therefore the college will prohibit the production of The Vagina Monologues.
It's worse than you imagine possible, apparently. Some courses are MANDATING attendance. All the colleges listed, IIRC, are providing funding for the performances.
Thank you for that link.
A Catholic University's privileged task is "to unite existentially by intellectual effort two orders of reality that too frequently tend to be placed in opposition as though they were antithetical: the search for truth, and the certainty of already knowing the fount of truth".........
...........It is the honour and responsibility of a Catholic University to consecrate itself without reserve to the cause of truth. This is its way of serving at one and the same time both the dignity of man and the good of the Church, which has "an intimate conviction that truth is (its) real ally ... and that knowledge and reason are sure ministers to faith"(7). Without in any way neglecting the acquisition of useful knowledge, a Catholic University is distinguished by its free search for the whole truth about nature, man and God. The present age is in urgent need of this kind of disinterested service, namely of proclaiming the meaning of truth, that fundamental value without which freedom, justice and human dignity are extinguished. By means of a kind of universal humanism a Catholic University is completely dedicated to the research of all aspects of truth in their essential connection with the supreme Truth, who is God. It does this without fear but rather with enthusiasm, dedicating itself to every path of knowledge, aware of being preceded by him who is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life"(8), the Logos, whose Spirit of intelligence and love enables the human person with his or her own intelligence to find the ultimate reality of which he is the source and end and who alone is capable of giving fully that Wisdom without which the future of the world would be in danger.
It's worse than you imagine possible, apparently. Some courses are MANDATING attendance. All the colleges listed, IIRC, are providing funding for the performances.
I'm sure you're mistaken. Universities typically don't mandate extra-curricular activities.
Perhaps drama students are required to participate in theater productions or something along those lines.
>>I'm sure you're mistaken. Universities typically don't mandate extra-curricular activities.<<
That's simply very, very false. Hell, nowadays most SCHOLARSHIPS and ADMISSIONS mandate outside-the-classroom activities.
>> Perhaps drama students are required to participate in theater productions or something along those lines. <<
Go do a search on the topic. Attendence has been required for everything from Theology classes to sociology classes to women's studies classes.
Thanks for posting the guide for me.
Isn't it amazing that these "heretical" schools whose theology has "no roots in the past" can stand steadfast against modernity so easily while the "infallible and apostolic church" seems indistinguishable from the Unitarian Universalist Association?
While I don't share their theology 100% percent, I will always be grateful that I grew up under the cultural aegis of Bible Belt Fundamentalism. Every other form of chr*stendom is a dead fish rotting from the head down.
Wow. That's some swipe.
I guess "bible colleges" and the Amish are just silly. Who could pay them any mind with those find upstanding US Catholic bishops out there?
>> Wow. That's some swipe. I guess "bible colleges" and the Amish are just silly. Who could pay them any mind with those find upstanding US Catholic bishops out there? <<
It's not meant as a swipe, and I would apologize to any Baptists or Amish who took it that way. (There aren't that many Amish who read FR, for some reason.)
My point was not to degrade the Baptists' bible colleges; it's an issue of accredidation.
The problem is that in a lot of specialized fields, you need a degree from specific, well-established accreditation organizations. Catholic universities, often with more than a century's investments in specialized programs, are tempted to compromise their principles to maintain accreditation status. Sometimes they fight; for instance, back in the early days of the Clinton administration, they successfully beat back requirements to teach how to perform abortions. But that was a horrific, sudden intrusion; more often, the accreditation bureaus seduce college by gradually introducing more demands: the proverbial camel's nose in the tent.
To their credit, baptist colleges created their own national accreditation bureau, the AABC (Now the ABHE?) But in too many fields that Catholic schools excelled in, but Baptist colleges often didn't even offer, such an upstart organization would lack credibility in academia.
I would be very happy to see Catholic Universities collectivize their influence and form some sort of national accreditation bureau of their own. With Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College (and a bunch of other great basketball schools :^D ), I think they could just about succeed. But I believe that would be the endpoint of a great purification movement, not the start. The risk is very high, the "wax bees (reference Kipling)" are great in number, and the required unity would be astounding without direct papal oversight.
ORU isn't a "bible college," btw. Neither is my own fully accredited alma mater, but you can bet your sweet bippy they don't engage in mainline foolishness so many Catholic schools have bought into.
Besides, I thought the "research university" didn't exist until Hegel. So why do Catholic universities have this need to be Hegelian?
There are Baptist Colleges that are accredited. For one, check Maranatha Baptist Bible College in Wisconsin. Fully accredited.
Which glorifies the lesbian molestation of a young teenage girl. (Just wanted to make sure you presented all of the facts.)
You're 100% on the wrong website, sweetie. And you need to look up the definition of the word "condone," because you're not using right. That's probably not all you're not using right.
>> ORU isn't a "bible college," btw. Neither is my own fully accredited alma mater, but you can bet your sweet bippy they don't engage in mainline foolishness so many Catholic schools have bought into. <<
Yes, there are many well-accredited Baptist colleges. The bible colleges are the ones which have most famously resisted liberalism, but several well-accredited ones have also, and certainly "bible college" does not equal "only AABC-accreditted".
There are also many excellent, very Christ-centered Catholic schools. I think there are a couple hundred Catholic colleges in the nation' this list includes many of the prominent ones, but there are certainly many others.
And there are many Calvinist, "Baptist" and Protestant schools which have lost their way: Duke, SMU, Boston University, Yale, Harvard, etc. My point was simply that faithfulness is not a function of denomination.
I did specifically refer to "bible colleges," because the name infers (if it doesn't actually denote) that the school's primary focus is on literalist (incorrectly termed "fundamentalist") ministerial studies. I agree ORU doesn't fit this mold. (Why would they hire Anita Hill?) And I also note that "bible colleges" necessarily offer many other disciplines.
Incidentally, as a Catholic, I have taken courses at Regent University's DC extension campus, and enjoyed them very much... but also know that outside of conservative religious and political circles, their degrees aren't worth all that much.
The schools we're talking about are indistinguishable from the Unitarians, in many cases. See post #30 for a list of authentic Catholic colleges.
::Sigh:: I'll never understand why so many Catholics are against "literalism." Is it because you feel it would make the magisterium superfluous or because "it's a redneck thing?"
Antoninus over on another thread is arguing that a fine thing like evolution should never be put in the same category as abortion. I wonder if he's ever heard of "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny?"
(Since this old thread has been revived today, I happened upon your post again.)
Coincidentally, the bible college I mentioned -- Emmaus Bible College -- is in the process of attaining the full accreditation of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools as we speak. I'm confident EBC will never hire a secular professor.
2006 Announced Performances of "V-Monologues"
(according to D-Day, www.vday.org)
1/16/06: Carlow University, Marquette University off list; added St. Mary's College of California; corrected University of San Francisco e-mail address
1/20/06: Providence College off list
Assumption College Assumption College informed CNS that the announced campus performance will not occur, although the college has not said it banned the event.
Rev. William Leahy, S.J., President
18 Old Colony Rd., Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone: (617) 552-8000
Dr. Mary Hines, president, has informed CNS that the announced campus performance will not occur, although it is not clear whether the college banned the event.
Catholic University of America
Very Rev. David O'COnnell, CM, president of CUA, assured us that the V-Monologues would not be performed on their campus.
College of the Holy Cross
Rev. Michael McFarland, S.J., President
1 College St., Worcester, MA 01610
Phone: (508) 793-2011
College of Mount Saint Vincent
Dr. Charles Flynn, Jr., President
6301 Riverdale Ave., Riverdale, NY 10471
Phone: (718) 405-3233
College of Saint Benedict
Dr. MaryAnn Baenninger, President
37 S. College Ave., St. Joseph, MN 46374
Phone: (320) 363-5505
College of Saint Catherine
Sr. Andrea J. Lee, IHM, President
1st Floor Derham, 2004 Randolph Ave. #F23, St. Paul, MN 55105
Phone: (651) 690-6525
College of Saint Rose
Dr. R. Mark Sullivan, President
432 Western Ave., Albany, NY 12203
Phone: (518) 454-5121
Rev. Dennis H. Holtschneider, C.M., President
55 E. Jackson Blvd., 22nd Floor, Chicago, IL 60604
Phone: (312) 362-8890
Lincoln Center & Rose Hill campuses
Rev. Joseph M. McShane, S.J., President
441 E. Fordham Rd., Bronx, NY 10458
Phone: (718) 817-3000
Dr. John DeGioia, President
37th & O Sts. NW, Washington, DC 20057
Phone: (202) 687-4134
John Carroll University
Rev. Robert L. Niehoff, S.J., President
20700 N. Park Blvd., University Heights, OH 44118
Phone: (216) 397-4281
Loyola University of Chicago
Chicago campus & Rome campus
Rev. Michael Garanzini, S.J., President
820 N. Michigan Ave., Chicago, IL 60611-2196
Phone: (312) 915-6700
Loyola University of New Orleans
Rev. Kevin W. Wildes, S.J., President
6363 St. Charles Ave., Campus Box 009, New
Orleans, LA 70118
Phone: (504) 865-3847
Steven Frieder, assistant to the president, has assured CNS that Marquette will not allow students to present the V-Monologues on campus.
New York Medical College
Msgr. Harry Barrett, president of New York Medical College, assured us that the V-Monologues would not be performed on their campus.
Rev. Brian Shanley, O.P., president of Providence College, has banned the V-Monologues on campus. In a statement to the college community, which was released to the public on January 19 (www.providence.edu/Administration/Presidents+Office/Vagina+Monologues.htm), Shanley explains that he read the play and found it not appropriate for a school with our mission. ...First, far from celebrating the complexity and mystery of female sexuality, The Vagina Monologues simplifies and demystifies it by reducing it to the vagina. Second, the description of the play as a new bible is an indication that its depiction of female sexuality is meant to displace the traditional Biblical view that inspires the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. Answering critics who claim such productions on Catholic campuses are protected by academic or artistic freedom, Shanley argues, But artistic freedom on a Catholic campus cannot mean the complete license to perform or display any work of art regardless of its intellectual or moral content. Any institution which sanctioned works of art that undermined its deepest values would be inauthentic, irresponsible and ultimately self-destructive.
Dr. Mary Jane England, President
235 Wellesley St., Weston, MA 02493
Phone: (781) 768-7122
Sacred Heart University
The president's office informed CNS that the announced campus performance will not occur, although the college has not said it banned the event.
Saint Louis University
Rev. Lawrence Biondi, S.J., President
221 North Grand Blvd., Saint Louis, MO 63103
Phone: (314) 977-7777
Saint Joseph College
Dr. Evelyn Lynch, President
1678 Asylum Avenue, West Hartford, CT 06117
Phone: (860) 231-5221
Saint Mary's College of California
Br. Ronald Gallagher, F.S.C., President
P.O. Box 3005, Moraga, CA 94575-3005
Phone: (925) 631-4203
Saint Xavier University
Dr. Judith Dwyer, President
Warde Academic Center, Rm A225
3700 West 103rd St., Chicago, IL 60655
Phone: (773) 298-3309
Rev. Stephen V. Sundborg, S.J., President
900 Broadway, Seattle, WA 98122
Phone: (206) 296-1891
Seton Hall University
Rev. Anthony Figueiredo, Executive Director of Mission and Ministry at Seton Hall University, assured us that the V-Monologues would not be performed on their campus.
University of Detroit Mercy
Gerard L. Stockhausen, S.J., President
4001 W. McNichols Rd., P.O. Box 19900, Detroit,
Phone: (313) 993-1455
University of Notre Dame
Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C., President
Notre Dame, IN 46556
Phone: (574) 631-3903
University of San Francisco
Rev. Stephen A. Privett, S.J., President
2130 Fulton St., San Francisco, CA 94117
Phone: (415) 422-6762
And yet none of the solidly Calvinist colleges aren't on the list: Master's College, Covenant College, Calvin College.
You can hide behind the fact that Mainstream Proddie (read secular) colleges have it scheduled, or just face up to the fact that the who's who of RC schools are has it on tap.
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