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To: Rosary
you see what Vatican ll has done!

Having read some of the 16 documents, I think it didn't 'do' much of anything.

I certainly see the result of a lot of people using V II as a convenient excuse for dissent. I lived through it. The dissent is the work of the people not the Council.

I certainly remember many North American 'theologians' formally rebelling when Humanae Vitae was issued. They challenged the Papal authority to definitively teach morality and they did it in writing. That wasn't the Council's fault. That was a venal grasping for power by human beings.

Of course, if one reads the history of the Church there doesn't seem to be any century when the Church has not been under continuous assault from within and without. A Golden Age in The Past of equanimity and widespread faithfulness is a fairy tale.

27 posted on 02/09/2005 3:08:48 PM PST by siunevada
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To: siunevada

Lenten ping. Here's wishing blessings to all.


28 posted on 02/09/2005 9:45:59 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: siunevada

It is the Holy Latin Mass that held the Faith and the world together and made the Catholic Church Univerisal,One Holy, Roman Catholic and Apostalic . Until it returns all the way..the world will continue to falter.
Have you ever seen the video "wHAT WE lost AND THE ROAD TO RESORAtion"....tells it how it all happened the modernizing of the Church ect. Very eye opening- and it is sooo much easier to see it then to go into looong explanations on Vatican ll.


33 posted on 02/10/2005 7:52:11 AM PST by Rosary (Pray the Rosary daily)
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