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Area Catholics can fast on Saturday
Ventura Couny Star | February 9, 2005

Posted on 02/11/2005 10:08:54 PM PST by Land of the Irish

Cardinal Roger M. Mahony is allowing Catholics who want to celebrate Chinese New Year today to observe Ash Wednesday on Saturday.

Both holidays occur today.

"I hereby commute the obligation to observe fast and abstinence on Ash Wednesday," Mahony said in a statement released recently.

Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent, a 40-day period that ends with Easter Sunday. Catholics are expected to fast on Ash Wednesday and to refrain from eating meat every Friday until Easter.

Mahony's office estimates there are 1.8 million Asian-American Catholics in the Archdiocese, which includes Los Angeles, Ventura and Santa Barbara counties.

Mary Kay Yu of Camarillo, a Catholic whose husband, George, is chairman of the Ventura County Chinese-American Historical Society, said she couldn't remember another year in which the holidays fell on the same day.

"This year really presented a conflict," Yu said Tuesday.

She said Mahony's decision didn't help her or her family because they already intended to celebrate Chinese New Year on Saturday.

She said she planned to observe Ash Wednesday today.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
KEYWORDS: ashwednesday; catholic; chinesenewyear; mahoney
"I hereby commute the obligation to observe fast and abstinence on Ash Wednesday," Mahony said in a statement released recently.
1 posted on 02/11/2005 10:08:54 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Andrew65; AniGrrl; apologia_pro_vita_sua; attagirl; BearWash; ...

Mahoney ping


2 posted on 02/11/2005 10:11:01 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: Land of the Irish

Perhaps Mahoney's mitre should be replaced by a beanie sporting a propeller on the top!


3 posted on 02/11/2005 10:44:27 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: thor76; Land of the Irish; Gerard.P

Cardinal Raj has a penchant for Chinese New Year, doesn't he?

I'm glad he has his priorities straight. Yes indeed.

Now where did I put that pic of the Chinese Red Dragon dancing in his Temple of Doom?


4 posted on 02/11/2005 10:50:48 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; thor76; Gerard.P

So now the novus church has given us both Ascension Sunday and Ash Saturday.

What's next?


5 posted on 02/11/2005 11:12:15 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: Land of the Irish
What's next?

Holy Week. Fasten your seatbelt.

6 posted on 02/11/2005 11:20:17 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Land of the Irish

From the Catholic Church of Hong Kong:




http://sundayex.catholic.org.hk/chancery/ci050109.html

...

III. ASH WEDNESDAY (February 9)

As this year Ash Wednesday (February 9) falls on the first day of the Lunar New Year, the faithful are dispensed from fast and abstinence on that day in accordance with our diocesan regulation. However, the faithful are required to choose for themselves some other suitable forms of penance or perform some works of charity, in keeping with the penitential spirit of the season of Lent.
Taking into account the Lunar New Year festivities, the rite of the giving of ashes can be postponed to the 16th (Wednesday - during Mass) or the 18th of February (Friday - during Way of the Cross), or to another suitable date. In accordance with liturgical tradition, this rite should not be held on a Sunday.
The rite of election or enrolment of names for baptism is to be held, as usual, on the First Sunday of Lent (February 13).
The liturgical texts of the booklet “Lunar New Year Liturgy” (in Chinese), published by the Diocesan Liturgy Commission, may be adopted for weekday and Sunday Masses during the Lunar New Year period.

Given at the Chancery Office,
3 January 2005.



Rev. Lawrence LEE
Chancellor



7 posted on 02/11/2005 11:45:15 PM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: NZerFromHK

L-L-L-Lunar New Year Liturgy? (excuse my stuttering) What the hell is THAT?!!


8 posted on 02/12/2005 2:12:10 AM PST by Mr Lidless
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To: Land of the Irish

If the Catholic Chinese are that conflicted over the two "holidays" why wouldn't the just observe both of them? It wouldn't hurt them to fast twice.

Why would they fast on New Years anyway? It seems to me that these are two different kinds of days, each with it's own protocol. If I were Chinese I wonder how I ould go about reflecting on the Sacrifice of Jesus and my own involvement in that Sacrifice while I was out having fun blowing off fireworks.


9 posted on 02/12/2005 5:42:15 AM PST by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Cardinal Mahony's Dragon Mass

10 posted on 02/12/2005 5:53:25 AM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison )
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To: Land of the Irish
What is next, a dispensation from the fast for the next Wicker chicken sacrifice?
11 posted on 02/12/2005 5:58:13 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: AAABEST

Even the Catholic Church of Hong Kong doesn't do what Mahoney has done. New Year celebrations yes, but it is held outside Sunday service hours.


12 posted on 02/12/2005 6:06:53 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: Mr Lidless

http://catholic-dlc.org.hk/p7b-a.htm

(book marked A004 on the page)


13 posted on 02/12/2005 6:11:24 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: AAABEST
Re: "Cardinal Mahony's Dragon Mass"

Well in his defense and considering just who we are talking about, doncha think that kinda makes sense? :-)
14 posted on 02/12/2005 8:44:09 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: Mr Lidless

Welcome to our world.


15 posted on 02/12/2005 8:45:43 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: Arguss
If I were Chinese I wonder how I ould go about reflecting on the Sacrifice of Jesus and my own involvement in that Sacrifice while I was out having fun blowing off fireworks.

Since you're not Chinese, you don't have to worry about it, do you?

16 posted on 02/12/2005 8:52:48 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: AAABEST

A picture which will live in infamy, imo.


17 posted on 02/12/2005 11:41:59 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Mark in the Old South

Yes the connections between serpents and Mahoney is even displayed in full on his Cathedral.


18 posted on 02/12/2005 11:44:50 AM PST by Pio (There is no Salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church)
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To: Pio; Mark in the Old South

Mahony has a serpent traced in the cement walkway through the children's garden.


19 posted on 02/12/2005 11:54:58 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: AAABEST

Oh my gosh! -my 14 year old daughter said when she saw this abomination.

If anyone has any doubts whether the infamous dragon (draco) has taken over the sanctuary at Mahony Square Garden, let them cease now. The Taj Mahony has been exposed (again). Saint Benedict said, "Let not the dragon be my guide" (Non draco sit mihi dux). I wonder what Mahony's revision of that motto would be? Provided, of course, that he were honest - wait - we shouldn't presume to expect too much from him.

Anyone who expects this garbage to stop, hey, give it up. It's only going to get worse, and worse, and worse, until God makes it stop; and that won't be a pretty sight. You should STOP putting any money in the collection basket at your local Novus Ordo parish, because you are funding not only draco messes but perversion of all kinds.


20 posted on 02/12/2005 5:45:18 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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and to refrain from eating meat every Friday until Easter.

No, Catholics are expected to abstain from eating meat on every Friday of the year, not just the Fridays during Lent.

Can. 1250 The days and times of penance for the universal Church are each Friday of the whole year and the season of Lent.

Can. 1251 Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

21 posted on 02/12/2005 7:01:50 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NZerFromHK

I clicked the link you provided... I saw images of what appeared to be books, but alongside those images was just a bunch of gobbledigook. After a moment, I surmised your subtle intent... Lunar New Year Liturgy = Gobbledigook!


22 posted on 02/13/2005 12:11:36 AM PST by Mr Lidless
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To: Mark in the Old South

Thank you, sir.


23 posted on 02/13/2005 12:12:49 AM PST by Mr Lidless
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To: Mr Lidless

It's in Chinese, sorry (there is no English version available) . The book with code A004 is the one titled "Lunar New Year Liturgy" in Chinese.


24 posted on 02/13/2005 12:16:13 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: Land of the Irish

How about a good old fashioned clown mass?

25 posted on 02/14/2005 1:22:56 PM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal Today)
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To: Land of the Irish
So now the novus church Roger the Dodger has given us both Ascension Sunday and Ash Saturday.

There. Fixed it for you.

26 posted on 02/14/2005 1:33:09 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: AAABEST
I think these guys would do a wonderful job renovating Mahoney's Monstrosity.
27 posted on 02/14/2005 1:36:13 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
There. Fixed it for you.

Not so fast there.

"Ascension Sunday" is quite common in the novus church, courtesy of the USCCB.

Regarding the Ascension of the Lord, the ecclesiastical provinces of Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, Washington, and the State of Nebraska have retained its celebration on the proper Thursday, while all other provinces have transferred this solemnity to the Seventh Sunday of Easter, May 8.

http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/current/2005cal.pdf

28 posted on 02/14/2005 5:30:58 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: AAABEST

Wow. The last time I saw one of those things, it was at the end of St. Michael's spear!

(Catching up on some long overdue FR lurking...)


29 posted on 02/16/2005 5:11:46 PM PST by Possenti
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To: Possenti
Po. Wut up bro!

Man I haven't seen you in a month of Sundays, I thought you were gone for good.

Very nice to have you back. We need you here and on AQ.

30 posted on 02/16/2005 6:02:28 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison )
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