Sorry if this offends but Paul somewhere considered his former life "dung", and I imagine he might consider TNIV dung as well!
Posted on 02/19/2005 11:58:59 AM PST by Caleb1411
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Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."
The revisionists better realize it's more a matter of "Thou shalt not offend God by hawking an androgynous/gender-fair/politically correct corruption of His Word."
Man, that makes me mad.
As for the assertion that such language alienates women, I claim that it does so only for human-invented reasons: 1) because some men overinterpret the male-centered language to assert un-Christian dominance towards women; and 2) some women, thanks to the feminist movement, are unwilling to accept the subtle social consequences that such language suggests.
Some of the feminists will not be satisfied until the change to "Our Parent, which art in Heaven..."
It is worth noting that the new testament in original greek is still in use in Greek Orthodox and Orthodox churches to this day.
The only way the PC police can change that is to literally change and rewrite the orignal greek words into new greek words.
The PC police are only able to accomplish their de-moralizing efforts of these revisionist history bibles by using flawed translations to achieve a specific political outcome.
Sorry, that doesn't work for me.
"As for the assertion that such language alienates women, I claim that it does so only for human-invented reasons: 1) because some men overinterpret the male-centered language to assert un-Christian dominance towards women"
Well said. There is much caricature of the Bible, even though the Bible is full of real life, complexity, simplicity, irony, etc. (i.e. not one-dimensional as viewed by modern fools).
What about "Lord"
What about the fact Jesus was male?
What aboutthe fact the orthodox faith uses the new testament in the original as written language?
so are the "pansy" men supposed to be offended that the Virgin Mary was a woman?
It just gets plain silly.
This is not about christianity or christian bibles, this is about so called christians making a cult for themselves based on chrisitanity of convenience.
Sorry if this offends but Paul somewhere considered his former life "dung", and I imagine he might consider TNIV dung as well!
Sorry if this offends but Paul somewhere considered his former life "dung", and I imagine he might consider TNIV dung as well!
"This is not about christianity or christian bibles, this is about so called christians making a cult for themselves based on chrisitanity of convenience."
Well said.
When GOD said "man" - He was talking about HUMANS - not MEN.
However, the majority of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew by people who were Jewish. The reason only fathers and sons were mentioned was because of Jewish tradition - not because GOD preferred men over women. Under Jewish law, only the men were allowed to study the scriptures. I believe Streisand did a movie about that very issue. Therefore, when the Bible was written, it was based in Jewish law and thus men were talked about more than women.
However, there are many Godly women in the Old Testament. But some churches do not focus on them.
Then .. when we get to the New Testament, we find all sorts of women who either supported Jesus with THEIR money, or started churches.
And .. men sometimes believe they have authority over ALL women .. when GOD specifically said that authority was over THE MAN'S WIFE - not all her friends and acquaintences.
Yes, in this case, of course. So teach the original words, and explain the meaning.
However, the majority of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew by people who were Jewish. The reason only fathers and sons were mentioned was because of Jewish tradition
And God chose those people to write the Old Testament. Do you consider that just a coincidence? I'd perfer to believe he's a bit more careful than that.
Therefore, when the Bible was written, it was based in Jewish law and thus men were talked about more than women.
Again: not a coincidence. God knew quite well when his Bible was being written.
However, there are many Godly women in the Old Testament. But some churches do not focus on them.
I definitely agree that it's a shame when some churches do not give equal treatment to all of the Old Tesament. But it's important to understand that by doing so, men will necessarily be discussed more often than women.
Then .. when we get to the New Testament, we find all sorts of women who either supported Jesus with THEIR money, or started churchesMary Magdalene, Mary & Martha, Priscilla, Peter's mother-in-law, etc.
And .. men sometimes believe they have authority over ALL women .. when GOD specifically said that authority was over THE MAN'S WIFE - not all her friends and acquaintences.
This is an example of the overinterpretation of the male-leaning language I spoke about earlier.
IT IS MAN WHO MAKES MISTAKES AND MISINTERPRETS THE WORD. God Does Not Make error's in HIS meaning. God does not care for Political Correctness. GOD does not want HIS WORD sanitized. Nor does he want IT to "feel" more comfortable for the reader.
What purpose does it serve ?
For the TRUE BELIEVER, the Holy Spirit will let you understand beyond such idiosyncrasies, and let you SEE the invisible and HEAR the inaudible because you are alive to GOD's WORD.
He knows what is written AND HOW is is written. There are no new revisions from GOD at the end of any scripture. ......... IT IS WHAT IT IS.
GOD want's ALL to learn from IT (the WORD) AS IS. The TRUE words & meaning of GOD are being lost in a modern world.
EEeerrrrrrrrrrrr ............
"overinterpretation"
Of WHAT ..?? "The HUSBAND is the head over the WIFE" - the scripture does NOT say "MEN are the HEAD over ALL WOMEN". Sorry.
And .. I'm not expecting "equal treatment" .. GOD created a HUMAN MALE first. That was GOD's choice. I would presume from that choice that GOD gives the males more authority - but also more responsibility over the male's family.
GOD did not give Adam authority over ALL WOMEN. To even think that makes GOD sexist is just ignorance of how much GOD loves every person - regardless if they are male or female.
Sorry, CyberAnt, you misunderstood me. What I was saying was that the claim that all men are head over all women is an example of the overinterpretation of the male leanings of Scripture. In other words, I agree with you on that point.
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