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Sinkspur, you're trying to support the argument, but your endorsement is a walking ad-hominem attack. Unfortunately, Vatican II did NOT allow victims to come forward; they didn't start coming forward for thirty or more years after Vatican II.

That is flatly not true. I know, from personal experience in two dioceses that abuse victims approached bishops in the 70s and 80s and were bought off or told that, if they went public with their accusations, they would end up in court for defamation. The Robert Peebles case is the most notorious, and his victims began approaching Bishop Thomas Tschoepe of Dallas in 1979, two years after Peebles was ordained, and were told by diocesan lawyers that they were lying. And, Andrew Greeley wrote, in 1984, that the abuse crisis would cripple the Church. Even then, he knew the extent of the problem.

And I flatly reject the notion that the priesthood is inherently homosexual.

Father Donald Cozzens, former rector of the seminary in Cleveland, sponsored a national study of seminarians in 1995. The results yielded that 30-40% of seminarians admitted to being homosexual. That, of course, doesn't take into account homosexual seminarians who would never admit it in a survey.

You can believe whatever you want. The fact is, homosexuals are drawn to the helping professions (especially the celibate Catholic priesthood) because they can hide there.

You provide no concrete facts to support your contention that there has always been a "systemic" problem of homosexuals in the priesthood. This is the same spurious charge anti-Catholic protestants and secularists use to browbeat the Church into silence on the issue of homosexuality, and to undermine the moral authority of the (mostly celibate) priesthood of Roman Catholicism.

Surely you realize you are advancing the anti-Catholic cause with such unsupported opinions?

Fr. Greeley (even though you don't address him as such, I believe he is a priest) knew about all this since at least 1984? He should be thrown in prison for his part in the coverup for the rest of his natural lifed. It is sickening that he has been abetting criminals likr this for years.

>> I know, from personal experience in two dioceses that abuse victims approached bishops in the 70s and 80s and were bought off or told that, if they went public with their accusations, they would end up in court for defamation. <<

How does that refute anything? Even long after V2, they still are too afraid to come forward? That would mean V2 didn't work in that respect.

>> The results yielded that 30-40% of seminarians admitted to being homosexual.<<

The fact that many are homosexual is not evidence that the field is *inherently* homosexual, only that it presently is.