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Those in Mortal Sin Can't Go to Communion, Says Pope
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| 03-14-05
| Pope John Paul II
Posted on 03/14/2005 9:40:26 PM PST by Salvation
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To: P-Marlowe
I'm not sure what a "mortal sin" is. What sin can we commit that Jesus did not die to forgive?
Take it this way -- if we sin grievously and do not ask for forgiveness, then we should not receive communion
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posted on
03/15/2005 7:56:33 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11)
To: xzins
Carrying out an abortion or euthanasia IS a mortal sin
82
posted on
03/15/2005 8:00:07 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11)
To: R. Scott
"If the Churchs rules are followed to the letter, there would be few people at the communion rail."
The rules are not intended to deny Grace, but to discipline us to receive more. If followed "to the letter", there would be more receiving Communion because:
1 we'd would go to Church quite regularly
2 we'd go to Reconciliation quite regularly
3 we'd live in a State of Grace to receive Communion
4 we'd have more babies
5 we'd have more priests because families would have more babies
6 the more priests we have, the more available the Sacraments
Since many are not following the rules, most if not all are suffering by receiving less than what could have been if we had allowed the Holy Spirit to work through us more.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:01:39 AM PST
by
SaltyJoe
("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
To: Logic n' Reason
The pope never would have said anything if they had not replaced his 9volt battery in the hospital. One wonders who - below this old figurehead - is really trying to set policy. Of course, it's more a "tempest in a teapot" as almost no one listens to them anymore.
Shame on you -- a known, deeply religious man, the Pope goes to hospital and STILL issues moral statements for his flock and you make frivolous comments?
A figurehead? Have you been asleep during John Paul's office?
84
posted on
03/15/2005 8:02:53 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11)
To: CouncilofTrent
This doesn't seem relevent to the topic at hand. Isn't this thread a Catholic issue?
You mustn't forget that every thread that touches on Catholicism is immediately acted on by those wishing to attack God's Catholic and Apostolic Church. It's the same as in the first centuries -- the true Church will always be under attack from the enemy.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:04:53 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11)
To: P-Marlowe
I don't mind a little give and take, as long as it is respectful.
86
posted on
03/15/2005 8:05:37 AM PST
by
Jeff Chandler
(Tagline schmagline.)
To: Salvation
I seriously doubt it....many many many more choose not to listen than do...and we're just fine; thank you very much.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:07:42 AM PST
by
Logic n' Reason
(Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin')
To: todd1
My fear is that I have committed sins that can't be forgiven...
Remember that you ask forgiveness not of us or any mortals -- you ask forgiveness of God and He is far, far more merciful than we could ever be. Welcome Home!!!
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:08:22 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11)
To: P-Marlowe
I don't believe one has to be "sinless" to take communion, as in our flesh none of us is sinless.
This is correct none are sinless. However, Paul makes note of sins that are fatal and sins that are not fatal. Our Catholic forebears called this Mortal sin. Mortal sin cuts you off from Christ, and the smaller sins are the "human condition".
If a unrepentant Satanist came to your Church, should they receive communion from you? In Catholicism, we believe this is Christ, and beyond that, it is is sign of unity (cf St. Paul).
89
posted on
03/15/2005 8:10:06 AM PST
by
Dominick
("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
To: Logic n' Reason; Salvation
I seriously doubt it....many many many more choose not to listen than do
Really? You mean to say the fact that more than 60% of Christianity belong to the Catholic church does not constitute a majority?
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:10:47 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11)
To: Logic n' Reason
Perhaps you are not aware that the words of absolution ask God's forgiveness -- not the forgiveness of the priest. Please check your facts.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:11:21 AM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Logic n' Reason
Absolution
1449 The formula of absolution used in the Latin Church expresses the essential elements of this sacrament: the Father of mercies is the source of all forgiveness. He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:
- God, the Father of mercies,
through the death and the resurrection of his Son has reconciled the world to himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins; through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. |
(Highlighting mine.)
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:14:05 AM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: P-Marlowe
"I'm not sure what a "mortal sin" is. What sin can we commit that Jesus did not die to forgive?" Matt 12:32
"Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."
A mortal sin is that sin which occurs, because the individual makes a conscious decision, actually a series of decisions, to reject the Holy Spirit.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:15:04 AM PST
by
spunkets
To: P-Marlowe
No human being has ever been "worthy" to partake of the blood of Christ. We are honored that God has provided us the opportunity in our unworthy state. I'm not clear on what you believe about the Eucharist? It's either a symbol or the body and blood of Christ, it can't be both. If it's a symbol, why all the fuss about being worthy or unworthy?
To: Salvation
A real problem for the Church has been and is the lack of the saintly Nuns I had teaching me in bygone years. I attended public schools but we had release time on Wednesday at 2 PM and walked to the Church and went to our classes. Sunday, after the 9 AM Mass we went to class.
We were taught in those days what was sin and that we were to confess all sins and we surely did. To this day I still confess every sin I can think of but when you get to an older age, thank God, your tendency is not to sin as much, at least with me, the grave sins. I think the Church has been to technical in defining sins.
I had the Baltimore Catachism, 1938 version.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:29:57 AM PST
by
franky
(Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
To: todd1; Salvation
I had considered becoming Catholic for a number of years. I was raised Methodist, but fell away from that church. I've attended mass with my wife pretty faithfully for a long time, but always felt like an outsider (of course), especially so since my son was born four years ago.
One Sunday morning I just decided it was time, and asked the Priest about becoming Catholic. He explained the very basics of the faith, and sent me to instructional classes. Early on, I had huge concerns about confession because I'm 40, have never made a personal confession, and I have done some really vile things in my life. I was afraid I would receive a huge REJECTED stamp for my efforts.
I was very relieved to find, as others have said in this thread, that the only two unforgivable types of sin are those we don't confess and those we don't accept forgiveness for. Long story short, I made my first confession last Saturday, and I am absolutely elated. The feeling of the lifting of dread and despair goes way beyond what I had expected.
To: american colleen
It's either a symbol or the body and blood of Christ, it can't be both. The last time I was involved in a discussion on that subject, the thread got pulled. I'll pass.
To: Jack of all Trades
Thanks for the inspiring story...
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:39:31 AM PST
by
todd1
To: Jack of all Trades
I was very relieved to find, as others have said in this thread, that the only two unforgivable types of sin are those we don't confess and those we don't accept forgiveness forGood for you. Welcome aboard.
The Sacrament of Reconciliation is just that: reconciliation with God and, through the person of the priest, reconciliation with the community of the Church.
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posted on
03/15/2005 8:51:55 AM PST
by
sinkspur
("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
To: SaltyJoe
If followed "to the letter", there would be more receiving Communion because:
If the people followed the rules.
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posted on
03/15/2005 9:01:26 AM PST
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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