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Those in Mortal Sin Can't Go to Communion, Says Pope
Zenit.org ^ | 03-14-05 | Pope John Paul II

Posted on 03/14/2005 9:40:26 PM PST by Salvation

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To: sinkspur
In third grade, I confessed adultery because I thought it meant I was disrespectful of adults.

HA! That'll make me smile every time time I think of it.

141 posted on 03/15/2005 4:38:44 PM PST by old and tired
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To: murphE

This comes to me as a pleasant surprise, that the Holy Father would revert to the term, "mortal sin." Ever since the 60's this term has been set aside, and "serious sin" or "grave matter" were used in its place. This is a good sign. Perhaps he is beginning to see that there was a real value in some of the more traditional terminology.

People 30 and under who have attended local parochial schools know very little about the Catholic faith, unfortunately. I know of a catechism teacher who has been leading classes in a large parish in Orange County where 100 students per class is the norm. He has never heard of the perpetual virginity of Our Lady. Never heard of it? How does he qualify for being an instructor? If he doesn't know about it, how can he teach the students about it?

This is all too common nowadays. It stems from a planned obsolescence of doctrine, per se. I went to a Renew 2000 course to become a "facilitator" and the man the parish brought in from New York to teach us said several times during the class that we should avoid the topic of dogma in Renew 2000 meetings. Whenever the discussion group touches on Church teachings, we were specifically told, we were to use these techniques they showed us to steer the group away from the discussion of doctrine.


142 posted on 03/15/2005 5:57:18 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort.)
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To: NYer; te lucis; todd1

I would also add that confession is to God, not to the priest. Nor is the priest to be confused with a therapist. It is helpful that any disruptive element be avoided, -- for example, face-to-face confession may feel uncomfortable to some, and behind-the-screen confession -- to others. But ultimately, the environment and the disposition of the priest do not matter, like with any sacrament.


143 posted on 03/15/2005 6:33:20 PM PST by annalex
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To: NYer
1. You're behind a screen; total anonymity* - Here in upstate NY, that is not always the case. The more 'common' practice is to sit across from the confessor.

Anonymous confession is a must-have option, per Canon Law.

Yes, that is possible but the 'stranger' is just that - someone who is prescribing a penance based on a lack of understanding of your personal situation The better solution is to seek out a confessor who understands your personal situation and can provide spiritual guidance.

I must disagree. A confessor is a judge, not a therapist. The penitent accuses himself. Priests have graces by virtue of their Holy Orders to understand your personal situation based on what you tell him. The only barrier to that grace would be a willful concealment on the part of the penitent.

Lol! When I returned to confession, this was indeed the case. The priest was also the pastor, bent on introducing liturgical dance to his parish, something that had been banned by the bishops.

Again, you're not chained to any one confessor. When you find a great confessor, you'll realize it was worth the search, and the commute.
144 posted on 03/15/2005 7:26:50 PM PST by te lucis (Our Lady is insulted, let us go forth and fight! -Cristeros hymn)
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To: SaltyJoe

Great analysis.


145 posted on 03/15/2005 7:34:57 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jack of all Trades

**I made my first confession last Saturday, and I am absolutely elated. The feeling of the lifting of dread and despair goes way beyond what I had expected.**

Your story brings tears of joy to my eys. May the Lord, indeed, be praised.


146 posted on 03/15/2005 7:39:19 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: annalex

Bump, you are so right, annalex!


147 posted on 03/15/2005 7:40:41 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: verity

And I certainly could not tell you. That would be up to the penitent and the priest with whom he/she was talking/confessing. I sure questions would be asked to determine the depth of the problem.


148 posted on 03/15/2005 7:42:10 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: radiohead

John Kerry and other pro-abortion politicians get alot of ink on the communion issue. Another issue to consider is their involvement in secret societies like Skull&Bones or the Masons. That also puts them in a state of mortal or grave sin therefore ex-communicating themselves.


150 posted on 03/15/2005 8:41:25 PM PST by scot taylor
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To: scot taylor
Another issue to consider is their involvement in secret societies like Skull&Bones or the Masons. That also puts them in a state of mortal or grave sin therefore ex-communicating themselves.

Membership in the Skull and Bones is the equivalent of belonging to a fraternity. There is no moral prohibition against being a member.

Catholics are discouraged from belonging to the Masons due to their anti-Catholic stance. Being a member is problematic, and could be sinful.

151 posted on 03/15/2005 8:54:45 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: sinkspur
At Penance services, he asks that we pick one thing, the big thing, to confess, and talk about why we think we do that. It ... makes people think of what motivates them.

That is very wise. I long ago stopped listing all my sins. The worst obstacles to my relationship with God are the ones I discuss, and I tell the confessor so right up front. I am never asked to elaborate about the rest.

152 posted on 03/15/2005 8:56:41 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Tagline schmagline.)
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To: Salvation

It used to be most everyone knew this and abstained out of love and respect until they received the Sacrament of Reconciliation.


153 posted on 03/15/2005 8:57:48 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: Desdemona
Sola Scriptura ...is expressly forbidden in II Timothy.

Only if interpreted through the lens of the doctrine of Apostolic Succession, which as an evangelical I do not hold. II Timothy 3:16-17 does not proscribe or prescribe extra-scriptural sources of doctrine, it simply addresses the value of scripture to the believer. Here lies the chasm between the Catholic and the Protestant and Reformed church.

154 posted on 03/15/2005 9:03:30 PM PST by Sparticus
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To: radiohead

It's necessary because some Catholic priests (new age type and frauds who infiltrated the Church during the Sixties) ignore the teachings and knowingly permit a person to be out of the state of grace and still receive the Sacred Host.


155 posted on 03/15/2005 9:56:00 PM PST by Seniram US (Quote of the Day: Smile You're An American)
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To: te lucis
Anonymous confession is a must-have option, per Canon Law.

Never said it wasn't.

I must disagree. A confessor is a judge, not a therapist. The penitent accuses himself. Priests have graces by virtue of their Holy Orders to understand your personal situation based on what you tell him. The only barrier to that grace would be a willful concealment on the part of the penitent.

Again, I never suggested the priest be a therapist. You totally misinterpreted what I said.

Again, you're not chained to any one confessor. When you find a great confessor, you'll realize it was worth the search, and the commute.

That was my point.

156 posted on 03/15/2005 10:19:23 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: Sparticus
Sola Scriptura ...is expressly forbidden in II Timothy.

Only if interpreted through the lens of the doctrine of Apostolic Succession, which as an evangelical I do not hold.

Well, I, and all Catholics, do interpret it that way. That's Tradition with a capital T.

157 posted on 03/16/2005 4:23:55 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: radiohead
Perhaps the Baltimore Catechism is no longer taught?

I once told a Director of Religious Education at our Parish that my homeschooled children were using catechism books that were structured in a similar fashion (question/answer) to the Baltimore Catechism. You would have thought I committed a mortal sin. His reaction was stunningly cruel and ultimately made us seek another parish. So many DREs ridicule the Baltimore catechism to the point that the mere mention of the name can cause your children to be punished by being refused the Sacraments. What they wanted me to use was very poor catechetical materials with poor art work and even poorer theology. The great dumbing down of catechism is what is harming the Church in this country. Feeding the flock (from 1st grade on ) euphemistic pap is a mortal sin in my opinion!

158 posted on 03/16/2005 4:28:16 AM PST by Diva
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To: P-Marlowe

Are you a practicing Roman Catholic?


159 posted on 03/16/2005 4:30:43 AM PST by Diva
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To: Salvation

I believe the pope has no business playing god. God will not be fooled. Who is he, the pope, to judge a heart?


160 posted on 03/16/2005 4:33:02 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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