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March 19 - Feast of St. Joseph - Husband of Mary - Intercessor of civil leaders
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Posted on 03/19/2005 2:04:28 PM PST by NYer

Everything we know about the husband of Mary and the foster father of Jesus comes from Scripture and that has seemed too little for those who made up legends about him.

We know he was a carpenter, a working man, for the skeptical Nazarenes ask about Jesus, "Is this not the carpenter's son?" (Matthew 13:55). He wasn't rich for when he took Jesus to the Temple to be circumcised and Mary to be purified he offered the sacrifice of two turtledoves or a pair of pigeons, allowed only for those who could not afford a lamb (Luke 2:24).

Despite his humble work and means, Joseph came from a royal lineage. Luke and Matthew disagree some about the details of Joseph's genealogy but they both mark his descent from David, the greatest king of Israel (Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-38). Indeed the angel who first tells Joseph about Jesus greets him as "son of David," a royal title used also for Jesus.

We know Joseph was a compassionate, caring man. When he discovered Mary was pregnant after they had been betrothed, he knew the child was not his but was as yet unaware that she was carrying the Son of God. He planned to divorce Mary according to the law but he was concerned for her suffering and safety. He knew that women accused to adultery could be stoned to death, so he decided to divorce her quietly and not expose her to shame or cruelty (Matthew 1:19-25).

We know Joseph was man of faith, obedient to whatever God asked of him without knowing the outcome. When the angel came to Joseph in a dream and told him the truth about the child Mary was carrying, Joseph immediately and without question or concern for gossip, took Mary as his wife. When the angel came again to tell him that his family was in danger, he immediately left everything he owned, all his family and friends, and fled to a strange country with his young wife and the baby. He waited in Egypt without question until the angel told him it was safe to go back (Matthew 2:13-2 3).

We know Joseph loved Jesus. His one concern was for the safety of this child entrusted to him. Not only did he leave his home to protect Jesus, but upon his return settled in the obscure town of Nazareth out of fear for his life. When Jesus stayed in the Temple we are told Joseph (along with Mary) searched with great anxiety for three days for him (Luke 2:48). We also know that Joseph treated Jesus as his own son for over and over the people of Nazareth say of Jesus, "Is this not the son of Joseph?" (Luke 4:22)

We know Joseph respected God. He followed God's commands in handling the situation with Mary and going to Jerusalem to have Jesus circumcised and Mary purified after Jesus' birth. We are told that he took his family to Jerusalem every year for Passover, something that could not have been easy for a working man.

Since Joseph does not appear in Jesus' public life, at his death, or resurrection, many historians believe Joseph probably had died before Jesus entered public ministry.

Joseph is the patron of the dying because, assuming he died before Jesus' public life, he died with Jesus and Mary close to him, the way we all would like to leave this earth.

Joseph is also patron of the universal Church, fathers, carpenters, and social justice.

We celebrate two feast days for Joseph: March 19 for Joseph the Husband of Mary and May 1 for Joseph the Worker.

There is much we wish we could know about Joseph -- where and when he was born, how he spent his days, when and how he died. But Scripture has left us with the most important knowledge: who he was -- "a righteous man" (Matthew 1:18). In His Footsteps:

Joseph was foster father to Jesus. There are many children separated from families and parents who need foster parents. Please consider contacting your local Catholic Charities or Division of Family Services about becoming a foster parent. Prayer:

Saint Joseph, patron of the universal Church, watch over the Church as carefully as you watched over Jesus, help protect it and guide it as you did with your adopted son. Amen


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1 posted on 03/19/2005 2:04:28 PM PST by NYer
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To: All
St. Joseph [Husband of the Blessed Virgin Mary], Solemnity, March 19

MORE THAN PATRON OF HOMES, IT'S TIME FOR ST. JOSEPH TO GAIN HIGHEST OF RECOGNITION [Fatherhood}

(Saint) Joseph the Patriarch: A Reflection on the Solemnity of St. Joseph

How I Rediscovered a "Neglected" Saint: Work of Art Inspires Young Man to Rediscover St. Joseph

The Heart of St. Joseph

The Importance of Devotion to St. Joseph

St. Francis de Sales on St. Joseph (Some Excerpts for St. Joseph's Day 2004)

St. Joseph: REDEMPTORIS CUSTOS (Guardian Of The Redeemer)

St. Joseph's Humility (By St. Francis de Sales)

March 19 - Feast of St. Joseph - Husband of Mary - Intercessor of civil leaders

2 posted on 03/19/2005 2:25:32 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Freeper, BykrBayb, though not catholic, noticed that today is the Feast of St. Joseph and asked that this thread be posted for Terri Schiavo. It is with great humility and gratefulness to her, that I have done so. To what is written about St. Joseph above, I would like to add the following which comes from an Eastern view of St. Joseph, who was a Jew.

* * * * *

The God who is revealed in the Old Testament has two main characteristics. First, and most important, is the revelation that, despite the fact that God is totally the Other, totally beyond all time and space, yet the Divine One freely chooses to be personally close to us and is our God.

This personal characteristic of creating, sustaining and nurturing is often called Divine Providence. God does not just create, then leave us all on our own. No, the Loving One is always there: to light, to guard, to rule, to guide. Many people prefer superstitiously to think of the good things that happen in their lives as "good luck." To those who have faith, these good happenings are sure signs of a loving Presence who only wishes good for us, who wills life and happiness for us.

Maronite Catholics recognize the loving hand of God in the care that Joseph gave to Jesus and Mary. In the prayer for the pre-Christmas Sunday of the Revelation to Joseph, this providential reflection of God's care may be readily seen:

Is there any lofty place like yours,
O honorable and righteous Joseph?
You served as their constant companion both day and night.
You carried on your arm the One who carries the whole world,
and you supported the One who supports all people.

O innocent and righteous Joseph,
we now petition you with the clouds of incense that we raise:
intercede for us (and especially Terri Schiavo) with the Lord,
whom you served throughout your life.
Implore Him to watch over us (and Terri) in this world
and to keep us from the misfortunes of soul and body.

The story of the angel's visit to Joseph reflects this theme of God's providential care for us in another way. The angel in this Gospel, as in other places in the Bible, symbolizes the way God communicates with human beings for their good. Syriac Tradition - as other traditions - sees angels as messengers who do God's bidding. In praying for the civil leaders whose task it is to look after us, the third intercession in the Anaphora of the Twelve Apostles states:

Remember, O Lord, our civil leaders,
who watch over your people, the flock
saved by your name.
In your mercy, forgive them, assist them,
and send your angels to protect them.

* * * * *

Please take a moment to post your prayers for Terri Schiavo. May the angels carry your prayers to our Lord God and Savior.

3 posted on 03/19/2005 2:26:31 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer

Prayer to St. Joseph for Terri Schaivo

Good St. Joseph,
Guardian of our Lady and the child Jesus,
Patron of women, children, and husbands,
Patron of the whole church,
you who are there for us calmly,
in times of trouble,
patron saint of a holy death,
on today your feast day,
we ask you to especially watch down on our most vunderable sister,
Terri Schaivo,
intercede for her with your son Jesus,
comfort her as the pangs of hunger and thirst grow stronger,
pray for strength for those who are working so hard to save her,
pray for healing and softening in those hearts trying to kill her,
pray that all who watch her vigil
will learn the realities of the evilness of human-caused suffering,
and how life is a gift from God in heaven.

St. Joseph,
quietly you worked to protect and raise Jesus as a child,
quietly, you work tirelessly in heaven
as you watch over your son's church,
never was it known that any who turned to you were left unaided.

Pray for us, good St. Joseph,
now, and at the hour of our death, Amen


4 posted on 03/19/2005 2:28:44 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Graymatter

Ping!


5 posted on 03/19/2005 2:36:44 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer

Thanks. I have been asking St. Joseph for his intercession in this matter.


6 posted on 03/19/2005 2:39:02 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

What an absoluely beautiful prayer! May Terri feel it in her heart and KNOW that we are with her and her family during this time of turmoil and injustice. May the angels comfort her in these hours of misery.


7 posted on 03/19/2005 2:44:14 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: B Knotts
I have been asking St. Joseph for his intercession in this matter.

You picked the right man! Of all the weeks to remove Terri's feeding tube, the judge chose the holiest one of the year. Terri serves as an inspiration to all of us as we suffer through the passion of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

(The only other heartless person I ever met chose to have an abortion on Good Friday).

8 posted on 03/19/2005 2:47:45 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer; Ohioan from Florida; Pegita; Kitty Mittens

Thank you for posting this. I look forward to reading the prayers people will post. I'm afraid I'm not very good at that, so I'll leave it up to those who are.

I find it horribly ironic that Terri would be starving and dehydrating to death, on the feast day of Saint Joseph. As we eat our food, Terri cries out for a crumb. As we drink our water, Terri cries out for a drop. May God have mercy on our souls.

I found this site about Saint Joseph. I had to highlight the text to read it, because it blends in with the background, but I thought it was a good site. http://members.aol.com/nonstopny/italiano/march19.htm .

This was a good article in the Daily Press (Virginia). http://www.dailypress.com/features/religion/dp-78021sy0mar19,1,2672086.story?coll=dp-features-faithlife .


9 posted on 03/19/2005 2:53:08 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Salvation; NYer

St. Teresa of Avila attributed her recovery from a coma and paralysis to St. Joseph, a saint to whom she was very devoted.


10 posted on 03/19/2005 2:55:28 PM PST by bourbon
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To: NYer

I remember reading something about Mother Cabrini, who during her life used to say something like whenever you have a serious need or problem, take it to St. Joseph.

Good advice which I have often followed.


11 posted on 03/19/2005 2:57:29 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer; Graymatter

I saw it in a post from Graymatter. God has inspired us all through eachother. Ain't it great when God's children come together, for the love of another one of His precious children?


12 posted on 03/19/2005 2:59:21 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Me too, KAC! Saint Joseph has bailed me out of several nasty situations over the years.

Today is the feast day of Saint Joseph. During a terrible famine in Sicily, the people prayed to him to deliver them from drought and famine, and their prayers were answered. Saint Joseph is the patron of families, fathers, people in doubt, social justice, travellers, and those who are dying.
http://www.ewtn.com/Devotionals/novena/joseph.htm

13 posted on 03/19/2005 3:09:04 PM PST by Graymatter (Free Tehiri al-Shaifo, US-held torture victim and hospice detainee.)
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To: BykrBayb
Thank you, NYer and BykrBayb! Some beautiful prayers in this thread!


Today is the feast day of Saint Joseph. During a terrible famine in Sicily, the people prayed to him to deliver them from drought and famine, and their prayers were answered. Saint Joseph is the patron of families, fathers, people in doubt, social justice, travellers, and those who are dying.
http://www.ewtn.com/Devotionals/novena/joseph.htm

14 posted on 03/19/2005 3:12:05 PM PST by Graymatter (Free Tehiri al-Shaifo, US-held torture victim and hospice detainee.)
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To: NYer

Ah, Joseph isn't mentioned much in the Bible.

Mary was also a virgin so at best Joseph was like a step father to Jesus.


15 posted on 03/19/2005 3:12:12 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: NYer

Saint Joseph,
gentle protector of our Lady,
guardian and teacher of Jesus in his youth,
patron of fathers everywhere,
guardian of families,
helper of all those who work,
thank you for being who you are,
gentle,
kind,
understanding,
and oh so patient.

Saint Joseph,
how often we take you for granted,
and you sit there, in the shadows,
doing the work
that God has asked you to do,
with the skilled hands of a patient craftsman.

On this day,
your feastday,
when all the church honors you
for who you are,
and what you have done,
let me say thank you
for being willing to answer the call of God,
for loving and caring for our Lady,
for loving and caring for our Lord,
for loving and caring for us, your foster children.

On this day we honor you,
kiss your son for us,
and tell him how much we love him,
and how much we are grateful
that he is willing to share you with us!

Amen.


16 posted on 03/19/2005 3:18:37 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: nmh
Much of what Jesus said and did isn't mentioned in the Bible either.

"But there are also many other things which Jesus did which, if they were written every one, the world itself. I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written."
John 21:25

17 posted on 03/19/2005 3:31:15 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NYer

We were asking for the intercession of St. Joseph's help after we prayed the Rosary at hospice. Thank you for posting this thread.


18 posted on 03/19/2005 4:48:43 PM PST by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org and www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did which, if they were written every one, the world itself. I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written."

John 21:25

So is that an excuse to believe what ever anyone says who wasn't there and didn't know Him? How do you discern what is true and what is false? Or don't you?


We are talking about Joseph on this thread where there is hardly ANYTHING written about him. It's unwise to change the topic. Joesph for all intents and purposes is irrelevant. It is what is written about Christ in the Bible that should be the most important to you. It is HE Who has redeemed you; not Mary and certainly not Joseph.
19 posted on 03/19/2005 5:03:57 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: NYer


20 posted on 03/19/2005 5:28:24 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: nmh
Joesph for all intents and purposes is irrelevant.

Precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of his saints, but nmh says that Joseph, whom Scripture attests to be a just man, is irrelevant. You'll pardon me if I think God's opinion matters more.

It is what is written about Christ in the Bible that should be the most important to you.

Are you saying that Joseph had nothing to do with Christ? Funny, it seems that Christ thought otherwise; Scripture says "He was subject to them."

It is HE Who has redeemed you; not Mary and certainly not Joseph

I believe we know that.

21 posted on 03/19/2005 5:30:10 PM PST by Campion
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To: amdgmary; BykrBayb
Thank you for posting this thread.

You need to thank 'BykrBayb' who was inspired and asked for this posting. And what an inspiration!

22 posted on 03/19/2005 5:32:52 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer
Oh, St. Joseph, whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the throne of God, I place in you all my interest and desires.

Oh, St. Joseph, do assist me by your powerful intercession, and obtain for me from your divine foster-Son all spiritual blessings, through Jesus Christ, our Lord; so that, having engaged here below your heavenly power, I may offer my thanksgiving and homage to the most loving of Fathers.

Oh, St. Joseph, I never weary contemplating you, and Jesus asleep in your arms; I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press Him in my name and kiss His fine head for me and ask Him to return the kiss when I draw my dying breath. St. Joseph patron of departing souls, pray for us.

Amen.

23 posted on 03/19/2005 5:36:23 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Campion
If Joseph was so relevant there would be more on him in the Bible. You do know the Bible is God breathed. I suspect He wanted the attention o Christ; not Mary or Joseph. Both are irrelevant and the reason why so little is written about both.
24 posted on 03/19/2005 5:40:24 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
I suspect He wanted the attention o Christ; not Mary or Joseph. Both are irrelevant and the reason why so little is written about both.

Yes, the angel Gabriel just drops in from heaven to literally "Hail" irrelevant beings all the time. The Second Person of the Trinity also performs miracles at the request of any ol' irrelevant human.

You seem pretty irrelevant. Would you mind having our Messiah turn a few gallons of my tap water into good wine. Right now I'm drinking that crappy California jug stuff from the Woodbridge region.

The next thing you'll say is that Mary is "dead". I got that one not too long ago.

25 posted on 03/19/2005 6:16:03 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: NYer

Thanks, BykrBayb & NYer.


26 posted on 03/19/2005 6:16:34 PM PST by FormerNavyBrat
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To: AAABEST
"Yes, the angel Gabriel just drops in from heaven to literally "Hail" irrelevant beings all the time. The Second Person of the Trinity also performs miracles at the request of any ol' irrelevant human."

Mary and Joseph played an extremely MINOR role. Next you'll be telling me that Mary and Joseph are co-redeemers. The trinity is God. God often performs miracles but not Mary and Joseph.

"You seem pretty irrelevant. Would you mind having our Messiah turn a few gallons of my tap water into good wine. Right now I'm drinking that crappy California jug stuff from the Woodbridge region."

I am "irrelevant" only to those with itching ears. It is JESUS that you should be directing your attention to. Atleast you know He turned water into wine - that's a start.

"The next thing you'll say is that Mary is "dead". I got that one not too long ago."

Mary is up in heaven but she doesn't hear your prayers to her. Mary is dead to us. I only pray to the living God and hope you start to soon.

I am always amazed at the stories created to draw attention AWAY from Christ and how indignant and nasty people become when this is pointed out.
27 posted on 03/19/2005 6:27:01 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Mary and Joseph played an extremely MINOR role.

I'm sorry. Mary is a Jewish mother. There is no way she is irrelevent.

Mary is dead to us.

No one with eternal life is dead to us. Mary has eternal life. She is very much alive.

28 posted on 03/19/2005 6:32:17 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona

Mary was a Jewish woman that housed Jesus till He was born. Very little is written about her. She should not be the focus of your attention - and certainly not on Palm Sunday.

Mary is in heaven but like other relatives and loved ones who have passed on and believe WE do not have access to her and we don't pray to them.


29 posted on 03/19/2005 6:43:04 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
No, Mary and Joseph did not play a "minor role". They cared for Our Saviour and brought him safely to the time when his ministry and salvific work would be complete. He was "subject unto them" at Nazareth, imagine the honor and glory of caring for the Saviour of the world, and the humility and tenderness required to exercise parental authority over him!

The saints are a mirror in which we can begin to fathom our own relationship with Christ. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

30 posted on 03/19/2005 6:44:26 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: nmh
She should not be the focus of your attention - and certainly not on Palm Sunday.

She isn't the focus of Palm Sunday. The Passion is. One of them will be read tomorrow in every Catholic church. It just so happens that today is the Feast of St. Joseph. Pure coincidence. Mary is never exactly the focus of anything. We ask her, as the Mother of Our Lord, to pray for us in her son's name. We ask all those who have passed before us and are with God to pray for us. Mary just happens to be very special as she was the vessel through which Our Lord was succored.

31 posted on 03/19/2005 7:05:50 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona

"She isn't the focus of Palm Sunday. The Passion is. One of them will be read tomorrow in every Catholic church. It just so happens that today is the Feast of St. Joseph. Pure coincidence. Mary is never exactly the focus of anything. We ask her, as the Mother of Our Lord, to pray for us in her son's name. We ask all those who have passed before us and are with God to pray for us. Mary just happens to be very special as she was the vessel through which Our Lord was succored."

The Feast of Joseph is a made up holiday honoring the wrong person. It is Christ that you should always be focused on not honoring other dead sinners.

Mary is another sinner like you and I. If it matters, the Bible makes this clear. First, David declared for ALL human beings , Behold I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me Psalm 51:5.

Second, Pail affirmed that EVERY human born of natural parents since Adam's time sinned in Adam, for "through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to ALL man, because ALL sinned, Romans 5:12.

Here's the whole passage that I am referring to in Romans:

[11] And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

[13] (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

[14] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

[15] But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

[16] And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

[17] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

[18] Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

[19] For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

[20] Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

[21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is very, very clear that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and that INCLUDES Mary! Mary is part of ALL! She is NOT without sin.

Romans 3:23

Rom.3

[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

There are other verses that state the same. The Bible is VERY clear on this.

Third, there is absolutely no trace anywhere in the Bible that Mary was an exception to the rule and not included in "all". In Christ's case, however it points out repeatedly that He was human, yet without sin as indicated here:

2 Cor. 5:21

[21] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

And here:

Hebrews 4:15

[15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

And here:

1 Peter 3:18

[18] For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

And I'll end with this one even though there are other verses that state the same.

Finally, Mary proclaimed her own sinfulness when she confessed, "my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior"

Luke 1:46

[46] And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

[47] And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior.

It really doesn't get any clearer. I would strongly suggest you take the Word of God over the word of fallible man.

Mary confessed she is a sinner like you and I in the verse I referenced - she needed Jesus as her Savior also. She is not sinless and just another human being. The Bible commands us to "Worship the Lord your God, and Him ONLY shall you serve" in Matthew 4:10:

[10] Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

The angel from God did NOT confirm that Mary was blessed OVER ALL WOMEN but blessed AMONG WOMEN - big difference - ah the devil is in the details. He declared:

Luke 1:28

[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

The cult of Mariolatry grew in the Roman Catholic Church beginning in the Middle Ages, adding to her titles as a "Coredemtrix" and "Queen of Heaven". This is a pagan influence on Christianity patterned after the old Babylonian goddess called by this very name - "the queen of heaven" in Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 7:18

[18] The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jeremiah 44:17-19

[17] But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

[18] But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

[19] And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

and verse 25

[25] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven,

Read through this book and see how this angered God.

Lastly but not exhaustive of your beliefs is the issue of praying TO Mary. Again the Bible clearly states something contrary to what you chose to believe. Again, you must decide, if you take the Word of God to heart or the word of fallible man.

1 Timothy 2:5 asserts:

[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

So the MEDIATOR is Jesus Christ but who is the INTERCESSOR? Mary? Another dead "saint"?

Let's see what the Bible, God's Word says.

In Romans 8:26-27 we find God's answer to the question:

[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

[27] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

So, Christ is the MEDIATOR and the Holy Spirit is the INTERCESSOR for us. Christ ALONE died for our sins, not Mary or Joseph etc..

Heb.1
[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

The death of Christ made reconciliation possible as stated in 2 Cor. 5:19-21

[19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

[20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

[21] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Holy Spirit did NOT die for our sins. It was Christ. Christ prays to the Father on our behalf. Having been on this earth He is sympathetic to our daily temptations. The INTERCESSION of the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is not in heaven, as Christ's work is according to 1 John 2:1-2

1 John.2:1-2

[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Rather the Holy Spirit or if you prefer to call Him the Holy Ghost, is INDWELLING within believers. The INDWELLING Spirit pleads in us TO the Father on the grounds of the MEDIATING work of Jesus Christ. THIS is what the Bible states.

No where, I repeat, NO WHERE does the bible state ANYONE else intercedes for us - not Mary, not Joseph nor any other mere fallible dead mortal does this for us. It is sooo clear, when the Bible is relied upon. Again, the choice is yours. If you wish to rely on man's word that CONTRADICTS what God clearly states in the Bible, that is a choice you can make however it is a most unwise one and it is not a "difference in interpretation".

There is more I can say on this FROM THE BIBLE but this should suffice. What else I would add is just a rehash with other verses to state the same. If you don't accept this, you won't accept more of the same so there is no point in me responding further.


32 posted on 03/19/2005 8:20:39 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: NYer

Thank you again for this beautiful thread. Once again, I'm disheartened to see the intrusion of a hate-filled heart, bent on spreading that hatred. Why must they show up on every thread? I have such a long list of souls to pray for, and it's getting longer.


33 posted on 03/19/2005 8:45:01 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb; NYer

I just saw this thread, and although it is no longer technically St. Joseph's Day, I thought I might share that today is my "baptismal birthday" as I like to call them. I was baptised on this day as an infant and have celebrated it with much prayer once I came to realize it, about the time of my First Holy Communion about eight years later. St. Joseph has always been very special to me, because he was special to our Lord!


34 posted on 03/19/2005 10:14:22 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Happy baptismal birthday!


35 posted on 03/19/2005 10:16:42 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

Thanks! Although I am sure there must be others who do it, my family is the only one I know of that celebrates baptismal birthdays. I find it's a great way to commemorate such a special day. I hope it's one tradition that my children will pass along, too. No gifts, just prayers! The only extra thing is that the birthday person gets to pick the dinner and dessert for the evening! (Had to have some special 'privilege' for the day when they were little!)


36 posted on 03/19/2005 10:26:10 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: nmh; Desdemona
Mary is another sinner like you and I. If it matters, the Bible makes this clear. First, David declared for ALL human beings , Behold I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me Psalm 51:5.

"To become the mother of the Saviour, Mary 'was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role.' [LG 56.] The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as full of grace. [Lk 1:28 .] In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God's grace."

"Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, 'full of grace' through God, [Lk 1:28 .] was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:  The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Saviour of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin. [Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (1854): DS 2803.]"

"The 'splendour of an entirely unique holiness' by which Mary is 'enriched from the first instant of her conception' comes wholly from Christ:  she is 'redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son'. [LG 53, 56.] The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person 'in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places' and chose her 'in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love'. [Cf. Eph 1:3-4 .]"

"Called in the Gospels 'the mother of Jesus', Mary is acclaimed by Elizabeth, at the prompting of the Spirit and even before the birth of her son, as 'the mother of my Lord'. [Lk 1:43 ; Jn 2:1 ; Jn 19:25 ; cf. Mt 13:55 ; et al.]  In fact, the One whom she conceived as man by the Holy Spirit, who truly became her Son according to the flesh, was none other than the Father's eternal Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Hence the Church confesses that Mary is truly 'Mother of God' (Theotokos). [Council of Ephesus (431): DS 251.]"
CCC

37 posted on 03/19/2005 11:27:06 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: nmh; Desdemona; AnAmericanMother; BykrBayb; AAABEST
No where, I repeat, NO WHERE does the bible state ANYONE else intercedes for us - not Mary, not Joseph nor any other mere fallible dead mortal does this for us. It is sooo clear, when the Bible is relied upon.

People ask people to "pray for me" all the time. Why not ask the Virgin Mary or any other saint to "pray for you?" Just because they are no longer "of this world" does not mean they don't "talk" to God. The saints in heaven are not "separated" by death from the community of the Church (Romans 8:38-39) as we are ALL one Body in Christ (Romans 12:5; 1 Corinthians 12:12) and Christ "abolished death" (2 Timothy 1:10). Therefore, the saints in Heaven can pray for us just as anyone here on Earth can. In fact, better, as they are presently with God. The Virgin Mary asking God to help you should "carry more weight" so to speak than having your best friend on this earth praying for you. True or not?  In fact, Christ's first public miracle was performed upon the "intercession" of His own mother (John 2:2-11).

Below is a prayer to St. Joseph that dates back to 50 A.D. - long before the last Apostle had died and less than 20 years after the death of Christ.  If the early Christians asked the "dead" foster father of Christ to intercede for them and it was "wrong," why is there no "documentation" from the Twelve Apostles "reprimanding" them for this?  Surely, the Apostles would have corrected the early Church had It been in error.

PRAYER TO ST. JOSEPH (50 A.D.)

O St. Joseph whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the Throne of God, I place in you all my interests and desires.

O St. Joseph do assist me by your powerful intercession and obtain for me from your Divine Son all spiritual blessings through Jesus Christ, Our Lord; so that having engaged here below your Heavenly power I may offer my Thanksgiving and Homage to the most Loving of Fathers.

O St. Joseph I never weary contemplating you and Jesus asleep in your arms. I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press him in my name and kiss His fine Head for me, and ask Him to return the Kiss when I draw my dying breath.

St. Joseph, Patron of departing souls, pray for us. Amen.


38 posted on 03/19/2005 11:56:43 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer

Wow! That's a beautiful prayer! Thank you for passing it on. I hope everyone who reads it can appreciate it's beauty. I have my doubts, but I can still hope.


39 posted on 03/20/2005 12:01:45 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: NYer; Coleus

Good ol' Joe has always been the "forgotten" member of the holy family. Its a shame...


40 posted on 03/20/2005 12:03:45 AM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: BykrBayb
I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press him in my name and kiss His fine Head for me, and ask Him to return the Kiss when I draw my dying breath.

What a beautiful image! How often do we ever reflect on Joseph's role as foster father of Jesus. Surely there were many nights when our Lord fell asleep, cradled in his arms.

And what about the faith required of Joseph to truly believe Mary's pronouncement that she was to be mother of the promised Messiah. What would the nornal reaction be! Or having a dream in which angels tell you to flee to Egypt. Again, how would the average person react? It took profound faith to believe the dream was real. Most of us would wake up, shake our heads, turn to our spouse and say: "Honey, you won't believe the dream I had last night."

41 posted on 03/20/2005 4:08:59 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Happy Belated Name Day!


42 posted on 03/20/2005 5:55:53 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: BykrBayb

How is speaking the truth hate-filled?


43 posted on 03/20/2005 5:57:54 AM PST by irishtenor (Hetero-normative... and proud of it!)
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To: NYer; nmh
See post 23.

You might also add that in 50 A.D., there WAS no Bible . . . it wasn't until St. Jerome got things organized that there was any 'scriptural authority' per se.

44 posted on 03/20/2005 5:59:10 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: nmh
Given the option of believing you or the Church Fathers, I'll believe them. Your continued displayed ignorance of the history of Christendom is sad.

By the way, what Bible did Christ use?

45 posted on 03/20/2005 8:14:10 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: nmh
Why do you fail to refer to the very significant Mother of Christ as you are instructed to by God breathed Sacred Scripture? That's a rhetorical question by the way, since you and I and everyone else on this forum already know the answer.

"Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed." Luke 1:48

46 posted on 03/20/2005 8:20:15 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"Why do you fail to refer to the very significant Mother of Christ as you are instructed to by God breathed Sacred Scripture?"

Do you believe you aren't "blessed"? I believe you are. I believe I am. I believe Mary was. But I believe we all fall short of the glory of God and that we are all sinners.

48 posted on 03/20/2005 9:31:54 AM PST by Rokke
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To: NYer
St. Joseph, terror of demons, pray for us.
49 posted on 03/20/2005 9:45:02 AM PST by murphE (Each of the SSPX priests seems like a single facet on the gem that is the alter Christus. -Gerard. P)
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To: NYer; All

I rejoice in that I can state my beliefs with Scripture!

I don't need the word of man, doctrine, hearsay, rumors, fallible mortals with an agenda - NOPE!

I can point to SCRIPTURE for ALL my beliefs and needs.

I stand firmly on this:

2Tim.3:16

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

My faith is in Christ not fallible men and women!

Before He returns, I suggest others also start putting their faith in Him.


50 posted on 03/20/2005 9:57:58 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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