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RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY [De Gloria Olivae]
SpiritDaily.com ^ | 04-19-05 | SpiritDaily.com

Posted on 04/19/2005 10:31:35 PM PDT by Salvation

RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY

The moment was one only the Church could pull off: a massive crowd, the ultimate in suspense, fantastic pageantry to match the glory of God.

In fact, even a Fox News commentator commented that on a cloudy day, the sun uncannily erupted at the time of announcement and Rome embraced spring.

It was Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, dean of the College of Cardinals, close confidant of John Paul II, celebrant of the last pope's funeral, and keeper of the flame who became the 265th pontiff.

He is a man who will maintain an accent on orthodoxy as well as on the Blessed Mother -- whom he mentioned right away in his first moments as pontiff.

Pope Benedict XVI is an elderly but strong pope who will bring both immense intellect and force with an unwavering way of presenting the Catholicism of John Paul II.

The name Benedict seemed a strong signal on many levels. It was St. Benedict who was noted for his strong power against the devil -- this important at a time of heightened spiritual warfare -- and the order Benedict founded, the Benedictines, is also known as the "Olivetans." St. Benedict prophesied that the last pope would be from that order.

And it was allegedly St. Malachy of Ireland who prophesied that the Pope after John Paul II  ("Labor of the sun") would be "Glory of the Olives."

St. Malachy's list described a pope later identified as Leo XIII with the words lumen in caelo (light in the heavens), and in fact that pope's coat of arms included a shooting star. Benedict XV was supposedly religio depopulata -- "religion devastated" (he served during World War I); John XXIII, who had served in the port city of Venice, was pastor et nauta ("shepherd and sailor"); and Paul VI was flos florum, or flower of flowers, and his coat of arms indeed displayed the fleur-de-lis (a pattern of flowers). Pope John Paul I was depicted as de medietate lunae, which means "from half of the moon -- and the first two letters of his family name, Luciani, form half of the word "luna," while the current pope, John Paul II was de labore solis, from the labor of the sun (with no clear explanation, although perhaps there is a connection in that he was born the year of an eclipse, and also: his working devotion to the "woman clothed with the sun"). 

That left two popes on St. Malachy's alleged list. One was described as De gloria olivae (from the glory of the olive) and the last as Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman). It is Peter the Roman who is said to reign during tribulations that will include the destruction of Rome.

Whatever the merits of such claims, the last pope named Benedict came during great Church disarray and just before the tumult of World War I. Meanwhile, Cardinal Ratzinger -- who is responsible for rescuing the apparition site of Medjugorje from rejection by a local bishop -- is known for a strong stance on family value and life. He is also a strict disciplinarian who may well address the priestly crisis in a new and stronger way.

[see also: Taking a close look at that alleged St. Malachy prophecy]



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To: sinkspur
Anybody with a level head deserves an opinion, and you are among the most level-headed here.

There is one indisputable fact: every single "prophet" who has predicted the end times has been wrong.

They don't have a good track record.

Oh, this is rich! When you see a man with a level head, it usually means he's been hit with a shovel. Speaking of "prophets" and "track records", here are a few excerpts your own recent greatest hits:

Posted by sinkspur to Thorin On Religion 04/17/2005 7:09:47 AM MDT · 59 of 102: Benelli had it "in the bag" in 1978, too, after the death of Paul VI, so much so that he started losing weight when Paul VI got sick so that he would look better in the Papal soutane. Ruini is, like Ratzinger, a Vatican bureaucrat, and Schonborn and Ouellet are in the reactionary camp of the college. The opposition to Ratzinger will come from the U.S., Latin America, and Africa. Your idea of abolishing bishops' conferences is precisely what these prelates fear from a Ratzinger papacy. If the Cardinals choose a 78 year old hardliner, look for the divisions in the Church to worsen. Ratzinger will have to fight fires internally, and his ability to reach out ecumenically will be neutered. Why on earth would the Cardinals select someone who wanted to retire two years ago?

Posted by sinkspur to narses On Religion 04/16/2005 4:31:39 PM MDT · 18 of 102 The Roman Press? LOL!! Ratzinger will never be Pope. He may very well broker the next Pope, however.

For a little change of pace, how about your comment at the end of a headline on a thread you posted:

Cardinals want new Pope to bridge Divides (Ratzinger ain't the one)

And the hits just keep on coming!

Posted by sinkspur to wagglebee On Religion 04/16/2005 2:51:42 PM MDT · 7 of 28 Ratzinger is from the Curia. One thing the Church does not need, after a pastoral Pope like JPII, is a retrenched bureaucrat.

Posted by sinkspur to onyx On Religion 04/14/2005 6:30:57 PM MDT · 6 of 86 Arinze's name has disappeared also, but I think that's because he's been in the Curia for 20 years and the cardinals are not going to elect a Curial cardinal. That includes Ratzinger.

Posted by sinkspur to pro610 On Religion 04/14/2005 6:24:20 PM MDT · 4 of 86 Despite the rumors, I don't think Ratzinger will be elected. He wanted to retire two years ago. There's no way he gets 77 votes, early or late.

Posted by sinkspur to seamole On Religion 04/14/2005 6:21:53 PM MDT · 16 of 33 There are no "palecon" cardinals. These men were all chosen by JPII, and Ratzinger is as conservative as they get. I don't see Ratzinger being elected. He wanted to retire two years ago from the CDF. One of his younger cohorts, like Scola, however, could very well be elected.

And who could ever forget my all-time favorite, the classic:

Posted by sinkspur to St.Chuck On Religion 04/13/2005 8:11:59 PM MDT · 54 of 135

Ratzinger himself will never be Pope, and a sufficient number of cardinals resent him so that anyone he openly campaigns for will not become Pope either.

Oh, Sinkinator, thank you so much for all the yuks! You are obviously a true Vatican insider, and we should all be thankful for your erudite and sage insights into all things Catholic. BTW, please take a look at the NBA playoff teams and let me know which team you think will NEVER be NBA champions. I have a friend who's going to Vegas, and I'd like to know where to put the bankroll.

61 posted on 04/20/2005 7:42:06 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: Salvation
Only thing is : Pope Benedict XVI is NOT a Benedictine himself! If the prophecy says that it will be from that Order, then the man has to have taken the Rule of Life vows from the Benedictine Order.

Suffice it to say, having spent time in a Benedictine monastery does NOT make him a Benedictine!

The prophecy is misinterpreted as far as this pope is concerned. The mere fact that he chose the name of the Father of Western monasticism does not make him a Benedictine either.

I am fast getting exasperated with this stuff.

62 posted on 04/20/2005 7:49:21 AM PDT by Alkhin ("Ah-ah," admonished Pippin. "Head, blade, dead." ~ Peregrin Took, The Falcon)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Pope Benedict XVI is known for going on retreats to Benedictine monastaries (so saith the Vatican watchers yesterday). Is that the connection? Maybe, maybe not. Everyone got hung up on the Benedictine angle, to the exclusion of all else. The more common usage of the olive is 'peace', asin, olive branch. The whole problem is that just about anything can be twisted to meet prophecy. And that assumes the prophecy isn't a fraud to begin with.


63 posted on 04/20/2005 7:52:30 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Our legal system is in a PVS. Time to remove it from the public feeding trough.)
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To: Salvation; TattooedUSAFConservative; Dominick
If Jesus did not know when the end of the world was going to be, why would St. Malachy be greater in God's eyes, to be told when the end of the world would be?

I agree with others that some of St. Malacy's prophesies need to be stretched to find a way to match it with that pope. Also, being just a few words to describe a pope could get a very broad interpretation.

But as it is, I still think Benedict XVI will be very good for the Church.

Viva il Papa


64 posted on 04/20/2005 7:57:08 AM PDT by coton_lover ("If He who was without sin prayed, how much more ought sinners to pray?" --St. Cyprian)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Here's a twist I came across yesterday:
http://second-coming.christnet.alt.newsgrouptopics.com/gloriae+olivae+vs.+petrus+romanus/2756

5. We are suddenly transported some 2,500 years into the future, to the prophesied endtimes. We see another scroll, which the 'prophet' who had already been prophesying, eats so he can further prophecy about "many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Gloriae Olivae is that prophet.

6. We are introduced to the new 'Temple' in Jerusalem, which is only figuratively speaking. Yet the measurements are taken to see who is adhering to the truth of God, and who is not. Then, we see two lampstands, meaning 'Houses of God', one Jewish, one gentile Christian. With each lampstand, there stands one olive tree each, shedding its golden, or enlightenment into that 'House of God'. Gloriae Olivae, is that gentile Christian olive tree, sent by God as a prophet unto the nations, to bring enlightenment to that House in which he is pope.

7. Virtually all Bible scholars agree that the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem are Enoch and Elijah. They were the only two people in the Old Testament to be raptured into heaven alive. Some people think Moses is one of the Two Witnesses, but Moses died on earth, and his physical was merely hidden in secret place where Satan couldn't find it. No rapture involved. Of the two, Enoch was Jewish, whereas Elijah came from Tishba, which lay outside of Israel and Judea, thus making him a gentile. Therefore, Gloriae Olivae is the prophesied Elijah to come, and is one of the Two Witnesses to arrive in Jerusalem, after he leaves the soon-to-be destroyed city of Rome, the seat of the Antichrist antipope.

And it is Jerusalem, upon the Mount of Olives where His beloved Lord had once referred to him in prophecy 1,975 years earlier, that Gloriae Olivae will lay down both the sceptre and crown granted him as vicar of Christ's Church on earth, to await the One to Whom it truly belongs, Jesus of Nazareth, Lord and God Almighty. It is at that point that the forces of the Antichrist shall fire upon Gloriae Olivae and his faithful fellow followers of Jesus of Nazareth, making martyrs of them all.

Then they will take Gloriae Olivae's corpse and with Enoch the Jewish Witness, throw them into the streets of Jerusalem so the world can gaze upon their dead bodies. And, after three and a half days, God will say 'Come up here', and Enoch and Elijah will go up to Heaven. At that very hour, a severe earthquake will rock Jerusalem. It will be September 5, 2005 when the Gentile nations and peoples will be sanctified by the blood shed by Gloriae Olivae upon the Mount of Olives, as God required Jewish blood to be shed by His other Son Jesus the Messiah, and Olivae's true older brother. And the two sticks will become one.


65 posted on 04/20/2005 8:20:07 AM PDT by Beach_Babe (A nation that kills its own children has no future...John Paul II)
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To: GopherGOPer; sinkspur; MarMema; joan; Balkans; kosta50; jb6; Lion in Winter
>>>>>>>>If you were there, praying with the visionaries at the time of the apparition, or even nearby, you could tell Mary is present.<<<<<<

The Parish of Medjugorje is comprised of five villages - Medjugorje, Bijakovici, Vionica, Miletina, Surmanci.

Surmanci gained its notoriety as a location of GOLUBINKA PIT, a stone throw from the "Apparition Hill".

I have no doubt that you have felt something in Medjugorje.

You should. The blood of the innocents was spilled there in the most bestial manner by the Croatian Nazis led by two RC priests.

Bishop Zanic of Mostar diocese was fully aware of the background of alleged Medjugorje apparition So were the other Bishops, so was The Vatican.

In 1941, Bishop Misic of Mostar informed Archbishop Stepinac of attrocities in his diocese, escpecially of Surmanci attrocity. Archbishop did nothing about it. Nor did Pius XII. Even worse, in 1952, Pius XII has elevated tepinac to the Cardinal and John Paul II beatified him in 1998. Now, we learn that Benedict XVI supports Medjugorje.

The spirit of Nazi crimes lives on.

With the facts imitating the fiction there is no need to read Malachy Martin's fiction.

May God have mercy on us sinners!

66 posted on 04/20/2005 8:21:18 AM PDT by DTA
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters
The name Benedict seemed a strong signal on many levels. It was St. Benedict who was noted for his strong power against the devil -- this important at a time of heightened spiritual warfare -- and the order Benedict founded, the Benedictines, is also known as the "Olivetans." St. Benedict prophesied that the last pope would be from that order.

And it was allegedly St. Malachy of Ireland who prophesied that the Pope after John Paul II ("Labor of the sun") would be "Glory of the Olives."

Of possible interest to you ping.

67 posted on 04/20/2005 8:36:18 AM PDT by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: Beach_Babe

False prophecies are 10,000 more common than true ones.

I think we're all justified in putting the so-called St. Malachi prophecies in the category of "forgery," and the one cited here ("we are suddenly transported 2500 years... etc.) in the category of delusion.

That's why the Church takes such a dim view of these end-times enthusiasms. It is all too likely that people will see what they expect to see, what they've been told to see, or what others are purportedly seeing.

Ask any police detective.


68 posted on 04/20/2005 8:48:21 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: xzins

Agree with you on the dates.


69 posted on 04/20/2005 8:50:28 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: netmilsmom

**>>Michael Brown is a bit on the conspiratorial side. Just look at the stuff he puts up.<<

I love reading SpiritDaily but I know to take it with a grain of salt. **

Exactly, but once it awhile it is worth throwing up a thread from there.


70 posted on 04/20/2005 8:51:36 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Alkhin

**Suffice it to say, having spent time in a Benedictine monastery does NOT make him a Benedictine! **

Totally agree.


71 posted on 04/20/2005 8:55:48 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Oops

once in awhile


72 posted on 04/20/2005 8:57:14 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Interesting thread! I enjoyed the discussion about the Malachy prophecy. It would seem that at the very least, he was off about this Pope, unless some other connection can be made.


73 posted on 04/20/2005 9:04:30 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: DTA

>>Now, we learn that Benedict XVI supports Medjugorje.<<

Prove it!
Please give me a reference that is not from Spirit Daily or a pro-Medjugorje site.


74 posted on 04/20/2005 9:35:54 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: FourtySeven
unless some other connection can be made.

I worry he will have a martini before dinner, or a sandwich with olive Loaf, dip his bread in some olive oil, or visit Miami for some rice and piccadillo. The olive possibilities are endless.
75 posted on 04/20/2005 9:52:59 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: All
Here is an interesting tidbit...

" Zanic had a second commission in 1986 which pronounced the visions false but never made its conclusions public. This belies the notion that Zanic would do anything to destroy Medjugorje (124). He behaves like an honest man who does not wish to upset anybody. If he has to say something he says it but he does not set out to discredit Medjugorje so enthusiastically that his integrity comes under question. The Vatican got the report and its Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith commanded a third commission and created it without the request of Zanic or any other bishop in Yugoslavia. The Congregation gave out a decree that nothing must be done that implies that the apparitions are supernatural such as pilgrimages or anything (125). Zanic was informed by Cardinal Ratzinger that he believed the apparitions were inauthentic in 1988. Ratzinger never repudiated this statement so Zanic is telling the truth though many Medjugorians disbelieve him. A priest said that Ratzinger did say this (125, 127, 184). The Vatican bases its decisions on science and on compatibility with Catholic doctrine. It cannot have the prejudice attributed to the bishops. "

76 posted on 04/20/2005 9:54:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: Askel5

I did not know what Malachi prophecies were till yesterday, when somebody said that "Benedict" was a fulfilment of one. Turns out it's bogus.

I suppose it is just as good as Nostradamus and Bible Code for entertainment. Except I think we do live in the near-end times.


77 posted on 04/20/2005 9:57:48 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Salvation

I find this prophecy business interesting. And I think the article should have stated the oft-repeated contentions that Pope John Paul II displayed the glory of the Sun - his funeral was on the day of an eclipse, he travelled across the earth - everywhere the sun shines, and the brightness of the sun shown thru his personality, his love for others, and his spirit.


78 posted on 04/20/2005 10:39:39 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: GopherGOPer

I'm certainly not going to judge the validity of what's happening at Medugorje, but I think, and I may be mistaken, that one of the biggest complaints is that alchemy (objects are being turned into gold) is going on there, and that is seen by some as a sign of the Devil.


79 posted on 04/20/2005 11:55:53 AM PDT by Norman Bates (In memoriam: Pope John Paul II†, Theresa Marie Schindler†)
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To: sinkspur

See post 13.


80 posted on 04/20/2005 11:58:07 AM PDT by Norman Bates (In memoriam: Pope John Paul II†, Theresa Marie Schindler†)
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