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To: netmilsmom; murphE

If you would have gone over there, you would see that what they see is real. Were you to talk with the visionaries, and see their radiant faces, you would know that they talk with the Blessed Virgin.

I knew I liked Cardinal Ratzinger for many reasons, but this is just awesome. I have no doubt the apparitions in Medjugorje are real. The over 120 people I've went there with over the course of the past 15 years would all agree.

If you were there, praying with the visionaries at the time of the apparition, or even nearby, you could tell Mary is present.

Anyway I don't want to start a fight, but hope that you have investigated yourselves, talked and prayed with the visionaries before you decide to declare them fake.


23 posted on 04/20/2005 5:58:48 AM PDT by GopherGOPer
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To: GopherGOPer
Were you to talk with the visionaries, and see their radiant faces, you would know that they talk with the Blessed Virgin.

The Bishop of Mostar, Bishop Zanic, whose diocese includes Medjugorje, vehemently disagrees. And the Vatican has said there is no basis from which to conclude that the apparitions are genuine.

However, if they inspire prayer from you, that is a good thing.

26 posted on 04/20/2005 6:03:13 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: GopherGOPer

My Uncle, who is a retired Bishop has major doubts about those "seers". The Bishop of the area and all but two Bishops of the former Yugoslavia have stated that there is nothing supernatural going on there. The Vatican has stated that there is to be no veneration of that site and no tours should go there for veneration. Yet the disobedience goes on.

Believe what you want but JPII refused to go there when he was in the former Yugoslavia.

I would rather listen to the Vatican.


31 posted on 04/20/2005 6:09:15 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: GopherGOPer

If I was going to promote apparitions, I would start with ones approved by the Church. The link I provided cites many sources and investigations that throw serious suspicion, to say the least, on these "apparitions". If there is "other worldly" phenomena occurring at Medjugorje, that does not necessarily mean it is supernatural, it could be preternatural. Satan will often mimic Our Lord to lead people astray. Skepticism is prudent here.


36 posted on 04/20/2005 6:13:32 AM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: GopherGOPer; sinkspur; MarMema; joan; Balkans; kosta50; jb6; Lion in Winter
>>>>>>>>If you were there, praying with the visionaries at the time of the apparition, or even nearby, you could tell Mary is present.<<<<<<

The Parish of Medjugorje is comprised of five villages - Medjugorje, Bijakovici, Vionica, Miletina, Surmanci.

Surmanci gained its notoriety as a location of GOLUBINKA PIT, a stone throw from the "Apparition Hill".

I have no doubt that you have felt something in Medjugorje.

You should. The blood of the innocents was spilled there in the most bestial manner by the Croatian Nazis led by two RC priests.

Bishop Zanic of Mostar diocese was fully aware of the background of alleged Medjugorje apparition So were the other Bishops, so was The Vatican.

In 1941, Bishop Misic of Mostar informed Archbishop Stepinac of attrocities in his diocese, escpecially of Surmanci attrocity. Archbishop did nothing about it. Nor did Pius XII. Even worse, in 1952, Pius XII has elevated tepinac to the Cardinal and John Paul II beatified him in 1998. Now, we learn that Benedict XVI supports Medjugorje.

The spirit of Nazi crimes lives on.

With the facts imitating the fiction there is no need to read Malachy Martin's fiction.

May God have mercy on us sinners!

66 posted on 04/20/2005 8:21:18 AM PDT by DTA
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To: GopherGOPer

I'm certainly not going to judge the validity of what's happening at Medugorje, but I think, and I may be mistaken, that one of the biggest complaints is that alchemy (objects are being turned into gold) is going on there, and that is seen by some as a sign of the Devil.


79 posted on 04/20/2005 11:55:53 AM PDT by Norman Bates (In memoriam: Pope John Paul II†, Theresa Marie Schindler†)
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