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To: DTA

>>Now, we learn that Benedict XVI supports Medjugorje.<<

Prove it!
Please give me a reference that is not from Spirit Daily or a pro-Medjugorje site.


74 posted on 04/20/2005 9:35:54 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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Here is an interesting tidbit...

" Zanic had a second commission in 1986 which pronounced the visions false but never made its conclusions public. This belies the notion that Zanic would do anything to destroy Medjugorje (124). He behaves like an honest man who does not wish to upset anybody. If he has to say something he says it but he does not set out to discredit Medjugorje so enthusiastically that his integrity comes under question. The Vatican got the report and its Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith commanded a third commission and created it without the request of Zanic or any other bishop in Yugoslavia. The Congregation gave out a decree that nothing must be done that implies that the apparitions are supernatural such as pilgrimages or anything (125). Zanic was informed by Cardinal Ratzinger that he believed the apparitions were inauthentic in 1988. Ratzinger never repudiated this statement so Zanic is telling the truth though many Medjugorians disbelieve him. A priest said that Ratzinger did say this (125, 127, 184). The Vatican bases its decisions on science and on compatibility with Catholic doctrine. It cannot have the prejudice attributed to the bishops. "

76 posted on 04/20/2005 9:54:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: netmilsmom
>>>>>Prove it! Please give me a reference that is not from Spirit Daily or a pro-Medjugorje site.<<<<<

The Vatican has not recognized Medjugorje. However, the fact that 24 years after the Franciscans have pulled out the hoax and several years after being expelled from Mostar Diocese, RC Church does not advise the flock to avoid Medjugorje.

What is going on in Medjugorje is against the tenets of RC faith. And may I ask, who presided over >Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith until several days ago? If you check Disciplinary documents, you will find Congregation addressed various issues, but not the issue of Medjugorje

Isn't it strange, having in mind that in 1998, Cardinal Ratzinger himself had denied his alleged support to Medjugorje.

Quote:

"On April 19, 1998, the publisher of the Schwarzer Brief sent documentation on Medjugorje to Cardinal Ratzinger, including 14 quotes from various Medjugorje books by people like René Laurentin and Bishop Paulo Hnilica, in which the impression was given that the pope and Cardinal Ratzinger had repeatedly recognized the authenticity of the apparitions. In response Cardinal Ratzinger wrote on July 22, 1998: "Thank you for sending the Claus Peter Clausen's memo. He is well known to me as the publisher of the Schwatzer Brief. I can only say in response that the quotes endorsing Medjugorje which have been attributed to me and the Holy Father have been made up out of thin air." [frei erfunden sind] Ratzinger's testimony makes it clear that he discussed the issue with the pope.

So, Prefect of Congregation for the Doctrine of the faith and Holy Father himself were aware of fake endorsements circulating through the Church. And what was the result?

For example, in January 2001 San Francisco Faith have published reader responses to Marketing Medjugorje article, addressing the noxios effects of the myth.

Here is one:

"While the Church has made no final pronouncement on Medjugorje, many of its most prominent members have made positive statements regarding it. Cardinal Ratzinger, in 1991, called Medjugorje "a place of prayer and faith...." In 1996, Dr. Joaquin Navarro-Valls, spokesman for the Holy See said, "You cannot say people cannot go (to Medjugorje) until it has been proven false. This has not been said so people can go if they want." According to the booklet, Mother Teresa, on April 8, 1992, wrote to Denis Nolan stating that, "We are all praying one Hail Mary before the Holy Mass to Our Lady of Medjugorje...." Theologian Hans Urs von Balthasar stated that "Everything concerning Medjugorje is authentic from the Catholic point of view." Perhaps until the official Church pronouncement is made regarding the authenticity of the apparition, we can take comfort in the statements made by one who has added his voice to the millions of pilgrims, including thousands of priests and bishops who have supported Medjugorje: Pope John Paul II. The pope has met with some of the visionaries; in March 1984, he stated that Medjugorje was "...the fulfillment and continuation of Fatima." He told Father Jozo Zovko, the holy priest who defended the visionaries in the early days of the apparitions, "Tell Medjugorje I am with you. Protect Medjugorje!"

Other letters were in similar tone. It is interesting.

RC Church is not a debating club, but some people dare accuse Cardinal Ratzinger and John Paul II of supporting Medjugorje, even THREE YEARS after THE PREFECT of CDF (i.e. Vatican chief enforcer) denied it and dismissed it as "frei erfunden sind".

Prefect of CDF has the power to eradicate tendencies, activities and behaviour alien to to RC doctrine. Ask Leonardo Boff. He was forced OUT of the RC Church. NOTHING HAPPENED TO THE ORIGINATORS, PLANNERS AND SCHEMERS OF MEDJUGORJE who fooled and bilked millions of Roman Catholic faithful.

I believe that this is conclusive enough.

85 posted on 04/20/2005 12:36:30 PM PDT by DTA
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