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Fr. Eugene Heidt and Archbishop Levada (A diocesan priest's experience)
Priest Where Is Thy Mass, Mass Where Is Thy Priest? | January 2004

Posted on 05/13/2005 9:57:43 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah

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To: Frank Sheed; Siobhan; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; ...
Despair, in a temporal sense, should be distinguished from despair , in the sense of complete abandonment of all hope of saving one's soul and of having the means required for that end.

We can "despair" of the elevation of Levada because of possible temporal evils that may result from his elevation, but that does not necessarily mean we are mortally sinnning, despairing of eternal salvation.

On the other hand it helps to recall that God is in charge and brings good out of evil, and that He provides temporal Providence.

Despair

(Latin desperare, to be hopeless.)

Despair, ethically regarded, is the voluntary and complete abandonment of all hope of saving one's soul and of having the means required for that end. It is not a passive state of mind: on the contrary it involves a positive act of the will by which a person deliberately gives over any expectation of ever reaching eternal life. There is presupposed an intervention of the intellect in virtue of which one comes to decide definitely that salvation is impossible. This last is motived by the persuasion either that the individual's sins are too great to be forgiven or that it is too hard for human nature to cooperate with the grace of God or that Almighty God is unwilling to aid the weakness or pardon the offenses of his creatures, etc.

It is obvious that a mere anxiety, no matter how acute, as to the hereafter is not to be identified with despair. This excessive fear is usually a negative condition of soul and adequately discernible from the positive elements which clearly mark the vice which we call despair. The pusillanimous person has not so much relinquished trust in God as he is unduly terrified at the spectacle of his own shortcomings of incapacity.

The sin of despair may sometimes, although not necessarily, contain the added malice of heresy in so far as it implies an assent to a proposition which is against faith, e.g. that God has no mind to supply us with what is needful for salvation.

Despair as such and as distinguished from a certain difference, sinking of the heart, or overweening dread is always a mortal sin. The reason is that it contravenes with a special directness certain attributes of Almighty God, such as His goodness, mercy, and faith-keeping. To be sure despair is not the worst sin conceivable: that evil primacy is held by the direct and explicit hatred of God; neither is it as great as sins against faith like formal heresy or apostasy. Still its power for working harm in the human soul is fundamentally far greater than other sins inasmuch as it cuts off the way of escape and those who fall under its spell are frequently, as a matter of fact, found to surrender themselves unreservedly to all sorts of sinful indulgence.

21 posted on 05/14/2005 8:47:29 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel (Sometimes "Defending the Faith" means you have to be willing to get your hands dirty...)
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“You know, that man isn’t Catholic. The Archbishop is not Catholic!” I was telling the whole parish this. No wonder he got so angry with me, in the end of it all!

I wouldn't trust any Priest who did what this guy did.

I live and worship in one of the most liberal diocese in the Country. Rome had to act before our Bishop could find the stones to banish a local Priest who tried to ordain women. He's got lots of women in 'pastoral leadership' roles, whatever the hell that means! He's as big a flaming liberal as you're ever going to encounter.

That being said my Priest, who has had myriad differences with the good Bishop, so much so that he was nearly thrown out on his ear because he dared to upbraid those who were manifestly guilty of Liturgical abuses.

He invited all of his congregation to do the same to any superior who they believe is concocting some Liturgical mishap.

But he would never stoop to such a level as to malign the Bishop to his Parishoners.

Levada may be a problematic appointment, but this piece isn't going to be the one to convince me of that.

22 posted on 05/14/2005 9:02:33 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; All

Does anybody have a problem with this priest? I will grant you that he is well-meaning, but he certainly lacks obedience and deference. No matter what you think of a bishop, he does have the fullest of holy orders and is thus deserving of more respect than I see this priest giving him.

While this information may be disquieting, I am appalled at the way this priest badmouthed the Archbisop to his congregation, and it leads me to question the complete accuracy of this account.

God bless,


23 posted on 05/14/2005 9:06:56 AM PDT by GrannyML
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To: AlbionGirl
“You know, that man isn’t Catholic. The Archbishop is not Catholic!” I was telling the whole parish this. No wonder he got so angry with me, in the end of it all!

I wouldn't trust any Priest who did what this guy did.

But...what if its true?!? Did Jesus hesitate to call the leaders of his time to account?

24 posted on 05/14/2005 9:07:03 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel (Sometimes "Defending the Faith" means you have to be willing to get your hands dirty...)
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To: GrannyML
he certainly lacks obedience and deference

When the leaders are wolves revaging the flocks, must we be "nice" in confronting them? Was Jesus "nice" to the Jewish hypocrites who led His Father's church at that time?

25 posted on 05/14/2005 9:09:32 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel (Sometimes "Defending the Faith" means you have to be willing to get your hands dirty...)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

The truth will not be stopped or suppressed.

To conduct yourself like this guy conducted himself is unacceptable to me. The Bishop even if he is the worst Bishop to come down the pike in 2,000 years, even if he is the biggest nitwit to ever wear a Mitre, should not be spoken about in that manner to the congregation.

I used the example of my own Priest to illustrate how a gentleman and a scholar conducts himself, all the while taking an errant and rather mediocre (yet powerful) Bishop to task. He suffered for that, but didn't reduce himself to such a mean level. And still he instructs the Faithful, and still the Faithful love and appreciate him.


26 posted on 05/14/2005 9:15:12 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

So, where did I say he had to be "nice"? I merely advocate that he treat his bishop with respect. Lack of obedience is the problem, whether it comes from those who disobey liturgical norms or those who set themselves above their priests and bishops.

We can disagree or teach without disdain, and accomplish far more, IMHO.

God bless,


27 posted on 05/14/2005 9:23:57 AM PDT by GrannyML
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To: AlbionGirl
Levada may be a problematic appointment, but this piece isn't going to be the one to convince me of that.

You're so restrained! ;-)

I'm afraid I think this priest sounds like someone you hope won't sit next to you on the bus!

28 posted on 05/14/2005 9:31:56 AM PDT by maryz
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To: St. Johann Tetzel; AlbionGirl; NYer; Salvation

The announcement of this appointment was made yesterday, the Feast of Our Lady of Fatima. It was also the 24th anniversary of the attempt on John Paul II's life. He freely admitted that Our Lady saved his life as he bent down to touch a medal of her.

This is the Gospel of yesterday:

Gospel
Jn 21:15-19

After Jesus had revealed himself to his disciples and eaten breakfast with them, he said to Simon Peter,"Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?"

Simon Peter answered him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you."

Jesus said to him, "Feed my lambs."

He then said to Simon Peter a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?"

Simon Peter answered him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you."

He said to him, "Tend my sheep."

He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?"

Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you."

Jesus said to him, "Feed my sheep.

Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go."
He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God.

And when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me."

St. Johann, I will follow this Pope who is following Christ. This was no accident. B-16 chose Levada knowing that his mission is to "feed HIS sheep." We had antipated this announcement all week and it came yesterday. I see the hand of God in that. You may not. I will follow him in obedience.

Frank


29 posted on 05/14/2005 9:38:28 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: maryz

Not to repeat myself (but I want to!), I have no respect for a Priest who conducts himself like this.


30 posted on 05/14/2005 9:39:20 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: Frank Sheed
"Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go."

I love this Scripture. Doesn't it also imply that tough choices lie ahead?

31 posted on 05/14/2005 9:42:59 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: AlbionGirl

---He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God.---

Following God's will had a cost for Peter and all the Apostles save John. Yes, tough choices lie ahead. Benedict, above all, would know that. His choice is his choice. If choosing the Apostles had been a reality series, how quickly would it have taken for Peter to be voted off the ship?

;-0)

Frank


32 posted on 05/14/2005 9:47:27 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: Frank Sheed

+Peter: You are the weakest link! Goodbye! Just kidding, don't mean any disrespect to our Cephas.

I've always found the contrast between +Peter and +Paul to be interesting. What quality did this Fisherman have that the Lord picked him above all others as the Rock on which he would build his Church? Why didn't the Lord hurl +Paul from his Horse long before he did and build His Church on Him?


33 posted on 05/14/2005 9:53:02 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: AlbionGirl

Peter had a brother, Andrew, and owned a boat. It did allow Christ to embark His Church with two oars in the water!

Seriously, I think Peter was simple, the foundation, a powerful man physically. Paul was a scholar of the law and largely made the vital intellectual connections between the old law and new law.

One interesting thing to note about the descriptions in the Gospels, especially after the Last Supper in the Gospel of John, is how much time was spent preparing these men for ministry. That is often overlooked. Jesus knew that He was leaving behing an edifice and trained these men well. Eleven were martyrs.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/THEOLOGY/SPIRCATH.HTM#06


34 posted on 05/14/2005 10:01:33 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: Frank Sheed

Thanks for the link, appreciate it.


35 posted on 05/14/2005 10:09:36 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The “next item” was his having gone to Our Lady of Atonement Parish – that’s what they called a “Catholic-Lutheran joint parish,” where they have a priest on one end of the altar and a Lutheran minister on the other, and they go back and forth. I asked, “What did you do over there?” and he answered, “We concelebrated liturgy.” “What does that mean?” I asked, “Did you and the Lutheran minister say Mass together? What did you do?”

Mission - Mission of the Atonement
Lutheran and Catholic congregation
7400 SW Scholls Ferry Rd., Beaverton, OR 97008
503-646-1344

I must confess I have never heard of a Lutheran-Catholic Congregation before.

36 posted on 05/14/2005 10:21:46 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Frank Sheed; AlbionGirl

Peter was also chosen for his weaknesses. Unfortunately for his pride, God utilized all of his failings in order to publicly teach us a great lesson about the office he built for Peter.

Peter made foolish mistakes as in Antioch. Christ showed us that his Popes will be merely men and not changed after elevation.

Paul's blistering rebuke of Peter indicates that subordinates must sometimes rebuke their superiors. This is a lesson for Popes as well as everyone else. Popes need to exhibit the humility of Peter is accepting rebuke when it is a true rebuke.


37 posted on 05/14/2005 10:22:04 AM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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To: Frank Sheed

In some ways, I can identify with St. Peter especially. Big of heart, wanting to be there, aching with immense sorrow when he just couldn't follow up...flawed, but the love in his heart for Jesus even when he stumbled, filled with fear, was a flame that still warms us today.

He felt that call, experienced the living fire, lived with fear and doubt and love and desire all rolled into one.

But the important thing is his failures didn't stop him. He stood up, came back and trudged on because of love.

Perhaps this is a quality Jesus wanted us to see...we don't have to be perfect. We can fail. He will still love us, still wait for us to stand up and follow him. He can take flawed people and build the most wonderful edifice, a temple made up of the church, fit to be his bride.

This gives me a lot of comfort. Me, my intentions are always bigger than my follow through. I keep having to pick myself up out of the dust, but I get up and keep walking. I can be meditating on the need to be patient with those who grieve us, and then have my teenager to something that blows me into a rage. I have learned well the taste of the dust, and the grace of His outstretched hand there to help me back up.

Paul was such a focused bulldog in some ways. Once he was converted, he was an unquenchable flame, an intensity that most of us cannot match. Perhaps this is why he chose Peter. It's easier for us to see his clay feet.


38 posted on 05/14/2005 10:36:56 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: AlbionGirl

I have tremendous respect for a lowly priest who rebukes an apostate bishop. St. Paul publicly rebuked St.Peter for much less.

Fr. Heidt is known and loved by many as a holy man.


39 posted on 05/14/2005 10:39:53 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sockmonkey

It was new to me also.


40 posted on 05/14/2005 10:40:37 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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