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Gay Activists Welcomed in LA, Not in St. Paul or Chicago
Catholic World News ^

Posted on 05/16/2005 12:20:15 PM PDT by marshmallow

May. 16 (CWNews.com) - Homosexual activists of the Rainbow Sash movement were denied Communion in St. Paul, Minnesota, but welcomed at the cathedral in Los Angeles, during their annual Pentecost Sunday protest.

Each year, members of the Rainbow Sash movement stage major demonstrations on Pentecost Sunday, wearing their distinctive sashes to advertise their disagreement with Church teachings regarding the morality of homosexual acts. In 2004, the group had its most noteworthy confrontation in St. Paul, where Archbishop Harry Flynn administered the Eucharist to protestors wearing their sashes, over the protests of other Catholics at the cathedral. Later, in response to a query from an American journalist, Cardinal Francis Arinze (bio - news), the prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, said that the protestors should not have been given Communion, since they were flaunting their rejection of Church teaching.

This year, Archbishop Flynn warned activists that they could not receive Communion if they were wearing sashes. In Chicago, Cardinal Francis George issued the same warning.

But in Los Angeles, a spokesman for Cardinal Roger Mahony issued a statement saying that members of the Rainbow Sash group would be welcomed into the cathedral. The archdiocesan statement did not directly address the question of whether protestors were welcome to receive Communion while wearing their sashes. The Rainbow Sash movement announced because of the "warm welcome" they had received from Cardinal Mahony, members chose not to wear their sashes during Mass at the cathedral there.

In Minnesota, however, the protestors pressed their point, and Father Michael Sklucazek, the celebrant for the Sunday Mass, issued a warning that those wearing sashes would not be able to receive Communion. About 100 protestors came forward nonetheless, and stood silently for several minutes, their hands outstretched, before returning to their pews as Mass ended.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; catholics; homosexualagenda; homosexuallist; rainbowsash; religiousleft
Mahony is surrounded by homosexual priests and his performance on this issue raises serious questions, in my mind, about his own orientation.
1 posted on 05/16/2005 12:20:15 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 05/16/2005 12:21:30 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: marshmallow


They didn't wear their sashes, thanks to Mahoney's "warm welcome."


3 posted on 05/16/2005 12:22:39 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx; marsh-mellow
They didn't wear their sashes, thanks to Mahoney's "warm welcome."

No. Wonder if they wore their "fish" instead.

/gag me

4 posted on 05/16/2005 12:27:53 PM PDT by kstewskis (...coming to you, from the sidelines....)
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To: onyx

and the fact they call that monstrocity a "cathederal" really is a smack in the face!


5 posted on 05/16/2005 12:28:14 PM PDT by JustMytwocents70
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To: marshmallow

"We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church..."

Well, maybe not in LA huh?! :)


6 posted on 05/16/2005 12:31:38 PM PDT by undirish01 (Go Irish! If only we can get the theology dept. turned around.)
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To: kstewskis

Gawd. In all seriousness, Mahony actions are reprehensible.


7 posted on 05/16/2005 12:48:44 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: JustMytwocents70

Indeed. It's a real smack in the face. Mahony knows better too.


8 posted on 05/16/2005 12:50:19 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: marshmallow

Looks like St. Paul did an about face:

2005:

In Minnesota, however, the protestors pressed their point, and Father Michael Sklucazek, the celebrant for the Sunday Mass, issued a warning that those wearing sashes would not be able to receive Communion. About 100 protestors came forward nonetheless, and stood silently for several minutes, their hands outstretched, before returning to their pews as Mass ended.

2004:

In St. Paul, Minn., people wearing the rainbow-colored sashes were given communion Sunday despite protests from some parishioners who kneeled in front of the altar blocking their way.

The Rev. Michael Skluzacek said in a written statement that both sides were “mistakenly using the Mass and the Eucharist to make their own personal statements.”


9 posted on 05/16/2005 12:50:54 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: marshmallow; kstewskis
Sash movement announced because of the "warm welcome" they had received from Cardinal Mahony, members chose not to wear their sashes during Mass at the cathedral there.

The point was never to receive the Sacrament; it's to provoke an embarrassing public incident.

10 posted on 05/16/2005 12:52:30 PM PDT by Romulus (Der Inn fließt in den Tiber.)
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To: Pyro7480; Canticle_of_Deborah; marshmallow; onyx
Is anyone obligated to obey this cardinal, if so why?

And if his actions are so reprehensible why is nothing done to him?

11 posted on 05/16/2005 1:31:36 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE


Obey him?
Whatever do you mean?

You tell me why nothing has been done to him... yet.


12 posted on 05/16/2005 1:34:24 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Romulus
The point was never to receive the Sacrament; it's to provoke an embarrassing public incident.

Actually, I'm convinced that desecration of the sacrament is one of their primary goals.

13 posted on 05/16/2005 1:48:45 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: onyx

Do you always answer questions with questions?


14 posted on 05/16/2005 1:55:31 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE


Only the silly ones.


15 posted on 05/16/2005 1:55:58 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Romulus

So you saying Mahony outsmarted them?


16 posted on 05/16/2005 2:12:04 PM PDT by WriteOn (in a word, it's the Word.)
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To: murphE
And if his actions are so reprehensible why is nothing done to him?

The alotted time for this trial is not yet complete. Satan has been loosed for a time and the testing is not yet over. Just as Judas was allowed free reign to betray Christ, so modern day Judases are given free reign to betray Christ's Mystical Body.

That's the theological answer.

The practical answer is that Mahony is a clever operator. He sails close to the wind and is nuanced and careful about his deconstruction of the faith. Take the present incident, for instance. What could he be nailed for? The article states that gays were "welcomed in LA". So? He can argue that it's the Church's job to welcome all those who feel drawn to her. Note that Communion was not given to anyone in a Rainbow Sash. Thus, he can rightly claim that he has done nothing in contravention of Cardinal Arinze's directive, if indeed it even was a directive. There were no Rainbow Sashes, no incidents, no confrontation. Just a Pentecost Mass at which there were present unidentified homosexuals. He could claim that this situation is repeated in every diocese.

That's typical of Mahony.

17 posted on 05/16/2005 2:12:19 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
I read in an old article that he welcomed "rainbow sash activists", not just the run of the mill homosexuals.
18 posted on 05/16/2005 2:25:20 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: onyx

There is nothing silly about my questions, and I asked them because I don't know the answers, which you do not either apparently.


19 posted on 05/16/2005 2:27:06 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE; marshmallow; Pyro7480; onyx; kstewskis; JustMytwocents70; undirish01; siunevada; Romulus; ..
Two seperate tid bits from the John Carroll University website. The first notes that seminarians are studying at JCU, the second sets forth the events for Allies, JCU's gay group:

1.

In cooperation with the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland, the University provides the academic component of the formation program for college-level seminarians of the Diocese.

2.

EVENTS

 

First Semester Recap:

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy

Movie Night

Washington D.C. AIDS Walk

"The Queer Monologues"

The "Real" Girl Drag Show

Browns vs. Steelers Party

Second Semester Tentative Events:

Gay Film Fest

Day of Silence

Tunnel of Oppression

"The Queer Monologues: The Abridged Classroom Version"

The First National Gay and Lesbian Conference

for Jesuit Universities - at John Carroll

 

 


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20 posted on 05/16/2005 2:52:35 PM PDT by Diago
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To: marshmallow

I think that there's some kind of psychological deficiency in those who wish to get the Catholic Church to support homosexuality. The Catholic Church is a hierarchy, which makes its own rules from the top down. If you don't like it, get out. I'm mystified.


21 posted on 05/16/2005 6:22:06 PM PDT by MsJefferson (Self-evident)
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To: marshmallow

I toured the LA Cathedral recently. Fine acoustics. Beautiful stained glass in the columnbariam/basment. Too much pagan orientation.


22 posted on 05/16/2005 7:11:27 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: marshmallow

Man! Sometimes I wonder how Cardinal Mahoney isn't afraid for the safety of his own soul! Millions of the faithful have been placed into his care, and he repeatedly does things to either dumb down their faith or eradicate their beliefs completely. If anybody needs prayers, this dude certainly does.


23 posted on 05/16/2005 7:56:11 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: marshmallow

Roger has no shame.

At the Cathedral in Burke's STL, not a sash was seen. At least at the 8. I doubt that there were any at the later Masses because we didn't hear a word about it.


24 posted on 05/16/2005 8:09:38 PM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: murphE

Oh, didn't you hear? The new Prefect of the CDF is going to take care of Mahony, after all, Archbishop Levada and Cardinal Mahony are lifelong close friends...


25 posted on 05/16/2005 8:42:00 PM PDT by Fred
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To: MsJefferson
"If you don't like it get out"

I hope you are including on the homosexual priests.

26 posted on 05/16/2005 8:45:03 PM PDT by Fred
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To: Pyro7480

Pyro7480,Bump.


27 posted on 05/16/2005 8:45:05 PM PDT by fatima (I will see you in the boardroom tonight.)
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To: Romulus; marsh-mellow
The point was never to receive the Sacrament; it's to provoke an embarrassing public incident.

You're right.

I happened to catch the (network) everning news tonight, (can't remember which), when they had the Rainbow-Sash crowd standing in front of a church.

They were rightfully turned away. Staged for the perfect on-camera "Kodak Moment."

I got furious when they showed a boy, around 10 years old, putting a rainbow sash around him.

I'm sorry, I'm going to say it. These witches/and other expletives will stoop lower than low to make their point.

28 posted on 05/16/2005 9:02:05 PM PDT by kstewskis (...coming to you, from the sidelines....)
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To: marshmallow

Figures.


29 posted on 05/16/2005 9:13:00 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was NOT in coma, JUSTICE was.....)
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To: Coleus
LA in need of a little smackdown on heresy!
30 posted on 05/16/2005 9:14:50 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: marshmallow; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...


31 posted on 05/16/2005 9:21:25 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: marshmallow
Past Freeps on His Royal Highness Mahony:

Protection Racketeers(A liberal cardinal protects pedophiles. A liberal press protects the cardinal)

Catholic Activists to Cardinal Mahony: "My Donations Return When You Leave"

Cardinal Untruths

Text of Cardinal Mahony's Deposition

Gay-Friendly U.S. Bishops Outed by Homosexual Activist 'Catholic' Group
Rainbow Sash's Top Four

Calif. Church Abuse Cases to Accelerate

and on, and on, and on, and on.....

32 posted on 05/16/2005 9:22:21 PM PDT by Fred
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To: Diago

Oh that's just lovely. Three cheers for "academic freedom".


33 posted on 05/17/2005 4:25:12 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: onedoug
Too much pagan orientation

Understatement of the century. ;-)

34 posted on 05/17/2005 4:26:52 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: hispanichoosier
Man! Sometimes I wonder how Cardinal Mahoney isn't afraid for the safety of his own soul! Millions of the faithful have been placed into his care, and he repeatedly does things to either dumb down their faith or eradicate their beliefs completely. If anybody needs prayers, this dude certainly does.

I agree with you. Would you say that by allowing him to remain in this position with no reprimand or correction that the Pope is allowing him to endanger the souls of the faithful?

35 posted on 05/17/2005 4:31:47 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Fred

But he's "in communion with Rome". He's a prince of the Church in good standing, under no censure or penalty.


36 posted on 05/17/2005 4:33:42 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Romulus
The point was never to receive the Sacrament; it's to provoke an embarrassing public incident.

That sounds about right, that and to appear as victims of the "big bad Church".

37 posted on 05/17/2005 4:35:09 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: FormerLib

I am a formerlib too , right here in Mpls. and you really hit on something, I don't think they are as concerned about the Body and Blood of Christ as they are obsessed with circumstances regarding their physical, not spiritual bodies, this I can only hope for the Pope's cont traditional way of the Church, the Church didn't develop out of satisfaction, it dev out of sacrifice of the early Christians. And these people can not even sacrifice anything.


38 posted on 05/17/2005 4:50:21 AM PDT by Keisha
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To: marshmallow
But in Los Angeles, a spokesman for Cardinal Roger Mahony issued a statement saying that members of the Rainbow Sash group would be welcomed into the cathedral.

OK. It's time for some disciplinary action.

39 posted on 05/17/2005 4:53:09 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: JustMytwocents70
and the fact they call that monstrocity a "cathederal" really is a smack in the face!

Cardinal Mahoney, tear down that cathedral!

8-)

40 posted on 05/17/2005 4:54:07 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: murphE

ah, but mother angelica gave him H... a couple years ago for a document on the "modern" mass...he tried to have her censored, but the vatican merely told her to retract here statement...which she did so sarcastically that I was lying on the floor laughting...

But then, saints outrank Popes in the RC church...


41 posted on 05/17/2005 5:54:13 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc

I remember that. God bless Mother Angelica.


42 posted on 05/17/2005 6:00:45 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: LadyDoc
Liberals love dissent.......unless, of course, you are dissenting from their position.

Uh oh.....then comes the smackdown.

Mahony has made a career of dissent....but let anyone dissent from his diktats.....then the smiley mask falls and the liberal thug appears in all its ugliness.

43 posted on 05/17/2005 6:10:50 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: WriteOn; Romulus

>>>>So you saying Mahony outsmarted them?

Absolutely not. Mahoney is their ally. They take the sashes off so that they don't embarrass him with the Church heirarchy.

It benefits both of them to work this way. It allows Mahoney to say "well, they weren't using the sash and Communion to make political statements in my Church, that's why they can receive."

It allows the Sashers to claim there is a split in the Church, that some cardinals let them recieve, others deny them.

So both Mahoney and the Sashers benefit, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Notice: Flynn said they couldn't receive only cause they were wearing the sash. They could have taken it off and received in MN too, and everyone would have still known who they were and that they did it.

patent


45 posted on 05/17/2005 11:38:34 AM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: patent

Ah.


46 posted on 05/17/2005 11:50:27 AM PDT by WriteOn (in a word, it's the Word.)
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