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Kabbalist Blesses Jones to Uncover Holy Lost Ark
Israel Newswire ^ | May 18, '05 | Jones

Posted on 05/18/2005 9:59:26 PM PDT by STD

Exclusive: Kabbalist Blesses Jones to Uncover Holy Lost Ark 23:39 May 18, '05 / 9 Iyar 5765

An unnamed Kabbalist has granted blessing to famed archeologist Dr. Vendyl Jones, to uncover the Holy Ark of the Covenant. Jones plans to excavate the Lost Ark by the Tisha B’Av Fast this summer.

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The famed archaeologist, who is the inspiration for the “Indiana Jones” series, has spent most of his life searching for the Ark of the Covenant. The ark was the resting place of the Ten Commandments written by Moshe (Moses) on Mount Sinai, and was hidden just before the destruction of the First Temple.

The Talmud says the Ark is hidden in a secret passage under the Temple Mount. Jones says that in fact, the Ark was brought through a secret passage beneath the mount – and that same natural tunnel in fact continues 18 miles into the Judean Desert.

Throughout the many years of his quest, Jones has been in close contact and under the tutelage of numerous Rabbis and Kabbalists. Jones, who is extremely knowledgeable in Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah, has now received permission from both known and hidden Kabbalists to finally uncover the lost ark.

Dr. Jones, who divides his time between Texas and Israel, has been here since March 9th ready to finally reveal the Ark. However, Jones has been waiting for permission from a mysterious Kabbalist, as well as for project funding to come through.

Jones’s daughter Sarah converted to Judaism many years ago and currently lives in the Shomron. She has been in touch with a great unnamed Kabbalist from whom she requested a blessing on behalf of her father to merit finding the ark.

As recently as last month, the rabbi, who only communicates via messenger, told Jones that the time was not yet right to discover the Temple vessels.

Last Thursday, Dr. Jones received a communication from the rabbi reading, “The time is right.”

Noahide guru Jones, who predicted the Six Day War, says that the State of Israel is passing through the same biblical straights as the generation that entered Israel for the first time after the exodus from Egypt. “If history repeats itself, the history itself is prophecy,” Jones says.

“Israel is different from all other nations in a lot of ways, but more than anything else, Israel is the only nation whose history was written before it happened.”

Once a Christian pastor, Jones left his post to become a leader of the growing Noahide movement. Noahides are G-d fearing non-Jews who observe the seven laws of Noah, which are obligatory upon all of humanity.

The explorer and teacher, published a book in 1959 predicting the precise outbreak of the Six Day War, based on his analysis of the Jewish Exodus from Egypt up until the First Temple Period. He says that employing biblical analysis to modern times points to major events that will “turn the world right-side-up.”

Jones calculated the war in 1967 by analyzing the sequence of events in the First Temple Period and transposing them onto “the Third Temple Period” – the period beginning with the Jews’ foundation of an independent State in the Land of Israel in 1948.

“It fits just like tongue in groove,” he says.

Jones, analyzed the following passage from the book of Bamidbar: “So from 20 years old and upward, all that are able to go, went to war in Israel.”

“Well ’67 was the 20th year,” said Jones who received acclaim for fighting as an unlisted soldier in the Six Day War. Jones was the only non-Jewish American to take part in the combat.

“Two years at Mt. Sinai and then the Jewish people went to Kadesh Barnea,” he says referring to the time immediately following the exodus. Transposing the Jewish people’s first entry into Israel via the Jericho region and the re-entry to those areas in 1967, one can find striking similarities.

“Then they [the Jewish Nation] sent in those [twelve] spies who gave the evil report, and because they believed the evil report, they were sentenced to wander for 38 years before they could come into Gilgal,” – an ancient city near Jericho.

“1967 was a repetition of Kadesh Barnea,” Jones says. “If Israel had come in and taken this place, the Arabs would have fled like they did in 1948. But no, because of the evil report of Golda Meir and Motta Gur and Moshe Dayan, who said ‘We cannot do that, world opinion will be against us.’ So Israel was sentenced to 38 years more – and June the 7th [2005], Jerusalem Day, will be the 38th year.

Jones believes that the Jewish prophecies regarding the greatly anticipated redemption are occuring in front of our eyes.

Jones' escapades and explorations were the inspiration for the blockbuster movie 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' of the 'Indiana Jones' trilogy. The man who wrote the first draft of the film, Randolph Fillmore, was one of the volunteers who worked with Jones in 1977.

“I agreed to help him write the movie,” Jones said, “as long as – number one – he wouldn’t set it here (In Israel). Some people believe the ark is in Ethiopia or Egypt, some believe its in Constantinople or Rome. I just didn’t want it to be portrayed as being here. The second thing was, 'Don’t use my name.' So he didn’t. My name is Vendyl – V-E-N-D-Y-L. So he just dropped the first and last letters and it ended up Endy Jones.”

Although at the time of the film, Jones was far from pinpointing the location of the Ark, he has come a long way since then. With the help of an ancient document found in Qumran together with the Dead Sea Scrolls, known as the “Copper Scroll”, Dr. Jones has pinpointed the location of the Ark of the Covenant.

This is what we have been looking for all these years and I’ve walked over those boulders thousands of times without really stepping back and looking – realizing ‘hey, those boulders have been brought in here, they’ve been placed in here, they didn’t come off a mountain. And they’re huge.’”

Jones recounts his early explorations into the tunnels which lead from the ancient Old City of Jerusalem to the foot of the Dead Sea. “My son and I went an hour and 20 minutes into the tunnel. There were so many branches and we didn’t have anything to mark the route, so I said, ‘We better get out of here and come back with a roll of string.’ Then I made the mistake of asking permission to do it. That was before I learned that Israel is a lot like heaven - it is a lot easier to get forgiveness than it is permission.”

Now after receiving the blessings of Judaism's top Kabbalists and Rabbis, Jones is excited to uncover his life's pursuit. He believes the ark will be discovered by Tisha B'Av, a day of repeated tragedy in Jewish history, the anniversary of the destruction of both the First and Second Holy Temples.

Dr. Jones, wearing an orange anti-disengagement bracelet, dismisses the current Israeli governments plan to uproot the Jews of Gaza and northern Samaria from their homes, saying “there will not be any disengagement, nor will there be any Palestinian State.”

“Chapter One in Isaiah,” Jones, who has a photographic memory, quotes. “'How has the holy city become a harlot? Righteousness filled the street but now murderers. The ruler is a friend of thieves and the ministers desire bribes.'”

“The prophet wasn’t talking about his day – he was talking about now. ‘Therefore, says the L-rd, I will restore them to their beginnings. I will set judges up as at the first, and counselors as in the beginning.’”

According to Jones, The Sharon government will soon be history and the Sanhedrin (the Jewish High Court of 71 judges) will take its place and lead the Jewish people. “The Sanhedrin was established October the 13th of last year. Now all we have to do is have an election to elect counselors. The Sanhedrin is like a Senate and the elected counselors are like a House of Representatives.”

Dr. Jones says the discovery of the lost ark will “flip the whole world right-side-up.”

“I just gotta drill a bore-hole into the chamber, drop a pin-camera in and there it is. And everything is gonna change, believe me. The Jewish people are gonna come back.”

Listen to an exclusive interview with Dr. Jones on the Noahide Movement, on IsraelNationalRadio's brand new show: 'Light Unto the Nations.'

Learn more about Dr. Jones' excavations online at www.vendyljones.org.il.

1 posted on 05/18/2005 9:59:26 PM PDT by STD
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To: STD

---Jones plans to excavate the Lost Ark by the Tisha B’Av Fast this summer.---

What a coincidence! I should be crowned emperor by then!


2 posted on 05/18/2005 10:05:23 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: STD

"I'll alert the media."


3 posted on 05/18/2005 10:10:48 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: STD

This is real, right?

Some parts sound like parody!


4 posted on 05/18/2005 10:16:42 PM PDT by JennysCool (Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.)
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To: STD
I hope this doesn't happen to him while excavating in one of those tunnels...


5 posted on 05/18/2005 10:18:10 PM PDT by kstewskis (Snakes...I hate snakes...)
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To: STD

He apparently is only 'famed' in his own mind ... and website. This guy is actually humorous.


6 posted on 05/18/2005 10:20:41 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: AgThorn

He's NUTS!


7 posted on 05/18/2005 10:47:08 PM PDT by STD (Evil White Man)
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To: STD

I thought the ark was in Ethiopia.


8 posted on 05/19/2005 12:34:56 AM PDT by Duke Nukum (Listen up Moore-ons: Newsweek Lied and People Died)
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To: STD

Nice promo. The proof of the pudding......


9 posted on 05/19/2005 2:42:33 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Duke Nukum
I thought the ark was in Ethiopia.

Yes, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has a long tradition of claiming itself to be the guardian of the Ark at St. Mary of Zion Church in Axum. Indeed, their liturgy is more or less based on the Ark. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that the Ethiopian Orthodox hold the Ark.
10 posted on 05/19/2005 4:41:09 AM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; Antoninus; ...
For a truly fascinating perspective on this story, read the various comments at the bottom of this Arutz Sheva Israel Broadcasting Network article by Jewish people around the globe in response to this. They obviously view this event in what we would term "apocalyptic" fashion.

(Its very rare that I post a duplicate thread, but I did in this case. Thanks for the heads up to hlmencken3. Mea culpa.)

11 posted on 06/02/2005 8:22:47 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel (Sometimes "Defending the Faith" means you have to be willing to get your hands dirty...)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Hey, everyone knows it's somewhere underneath the National Archives! Didn't you see the movie?


12 posted on 06/02/2005 8:31:11 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

A rather long but fascinating survey of the related 'Temple Mount Question' is at:

http://www.jcpa.org/jpsr/s99-yc.htm


13 posted on 06/02/2005 8:49:25 AM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: STD
Don't look, Marion!
14 posted on 06/02/2005 8:50:27 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
They obviously view this event in what we would term "apocalyptic" fashion.

Thanks for the ping and link! Here are some of those comments ..........

"The anti-Mashiach is soon to arise just as prophecy dictates."

">The Sharon government will soon be history and the Sanhedrin will take its place and lead the Jewish people.< Lets pray that it soon takes place."

"I love this article because I it fits well with my profound beliefs and puts together many pieces of information like a puzzle: the prophetic Torah, the feeling that the Geula is very soon, the vessels, the urgent necessity of the new elected Sanhedrin instead of the evil secular-leftist-antiTorah "Kneset" and "High Court of Justice" and Israeli "police", the evil desingagment plan, the evil Filistinian State and more... Thanks Dr. Vendyl Jones and I wish you bracha vehatslachah! After reading this article I'm considering to make my aliyah very soon! Shalom! "

the holy ark is not supposed to be revealed until G-d deems us worthy of having it. I'd like to know who this kabbalist is that has granted permission for the search for the holy ark to continue."

Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


15 posted on 06/02/2005 9:02:23 AM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: STD

"The famed archaeologist, who is the inspiration for the “Indiana Jones” series, has spent most of his life searching for the Ark of the Covenant."

This guy has proclaimed himself to be the inspiration for Indiana Jones, what an ego!


16 posted on 06/02/2005 9:07:06 AM PDT by Varda
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To: STD

Has he found Noah's Ark yet?


17 posted on 06/02/2005 10:15:25 AM PDT by GipperGal
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To: STD
However, Jones has been waiting for permission from a mysterious Kabbalist, as well as for project funding to come through.

ROFLMAO!

Translation: he's been waiting for some sucker to bankroll this scam.

Once that fell into place the blessing from the "mysterious" Kabbalist suddenly materialised.

Ten bucks says he finds a few rocks and busted earthenware jars- that is if he even picks up an excavation trowel.

18 posted on 06/02/2005 10:43:34 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: GipperGal

What a load of crap!!!

"Raiders of the Lost Ark" was written by George Lucas and Philip Kaufman, not the guy "Endy" claims. Steven Spielberg and Lawrence Kasdan also had something to do with the final script.

Also:

The original name of the lead character in the script was Indiana Smith. His name was changed to Jones on the first day of production.

Indiana Jones's name comes from the name of George Lucas's dog and is a play on Steve McQueen's eponymous character name in Nevada Smith (1966). Indiana the dog, who was a Malamute, also served as the inspiration for Chewbacca in Star Wars (1977)


For full details on Raiders: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082971/

and

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082971/trivia


19 posted on 06/02/2005 10:46:39 AM PDT by ReagansRaiders (Unofficial George Allen for President online store -- www.cafepress.com/georgeallen2008)
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To: ReagansRaiders
I know. I even remember some sort of copyright lawsuit a while back because it was claimed that they patterned the character after a B movie character from the 20s or 30s.

My first take on this was, it has to be an article from Scrappleface or The Onion.

20 posted on 06/02/2005 11:42:02 AM PDT by GipperGal
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To: NYer
The seven laws of Noah Laws from Gen 9:


To refrain from blaspheming Gods name.
To refrain from practicing idolatry.
To avoid immoral practices, specifically incest and adultery.
To avoid shedding the blood of ones fellow man.
To refrain from robbing ones fellow man.
To refrain from eating a limb torn from a live animal.
To behave justly in all relationships, and to establish courts of justice.

These are wonderful laws. Please click the link to Genesis 9. They are not there. Gee, I bet he doesn't find the Ark either. If he does, who is going to rescue it? He isn't of the right bloodline. God (with an o) has made it clear in Exodus 25-31, "lest they die"
21 posted on 06/02/2005 11:50:00 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

Look out Endy!!! Toht and Belloq are hot on your trail!!!


22 posted on 06/02/2005 12:17:43 PM PDT by ReagansRaiders (Unofficial George Allen for President online store -- www.cafepress.com/georgeallen2008)
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To: Dominick

"What's the Biblical source of the seven noachite laws?"

http://www.noachite.org.uk/source.htm


23 posted on 06/02/2005 12:42:50 PM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: hlmencken3

Noah did not write those.

The reference I had was to Genesis 9.

Another good reason why Christ esablished a Church, and wasn't an author...


24 posted on 06/02/2005 12:56:36 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: STD
known and hidden Kabbalists

Why are they 'hidden'?

25 posted on 06/02/2005 2:10:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ReagansRaiders
Some of what I'm going to post has already been put up here by others, but I kept the quote complete.

Another reference regarding the history of the character of Indiana Jones. From filmsite.org - Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981):

The swaggering, two-fisted character with a fear of snakes was designed to be flawed yet cocky, with frequent boasts: "Trust me." The character was originally named Indiana Smith, but it was changed by Spielberg. [Note: "Indiana" was the name of Lucas' dog. The swashbuckling character of Indiana Jones was loosely based on an early 19th century Italian archaeologist named Giovanni Belzoni, who became famous for exploring and excavating treasured Egyptian sites. The name was also a playful variation of Steve McQueen's name in Nevada Smith (1966).]

Check out the Google on Giovanni Battista Belzoni (I notice my Google link had "firefox" in it so I don't know if it will work for youse whats gots Netscape and IE). Quite an interesting character.

26 posted on 06/02/2005 2:29:21 PM PDT by Boomer Geezer (Sgt. Wanda Dabbs, 22, of the 230th, called out, "That's my president, hooah!" and there were cheers.)
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To: Dominick

http://www.asknoah.org/LocateSources.aspx

Locate Sources

QUESTION : (a) Where does the Bible say that these Seven Noahide laws were given to Noah, and where does it say that they were given to Adam?
> David

ANSWER : The first six laws were given to Adam. These laws were repeated, and a seventh law was added, when G-d made the Covenant of the Rainbow with Noah. Hence these became known as the Seven Noahide Laws. In the Oral Torah (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, chapter 7), it is explained that all of these seven laws are coded within a single verse in Genesis, chapter 2. But first let's start with five of the Noahide laws which are explicitly found in different verses in the Book of Genesis.

1. Do Not Murder.
The edict against murder is stated in Genesis 9:6: "Whoever sheds the blood of man, among man, his blood shall be shed; for in the image of G-d He made man."

2. Do Not Have Forbidden Sexual Relations.
Five of the six types of relations which are forbidden by G-d to Gentiles are covered in Gen. 2:24: "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and cling to his wife and they shall become one flesh." This verse explicitely forbids relations with one's mother, one's father's wife, a wife of another man, another male, and an animal. A Gentile is also forbidden to have relations with his maternal sister, which is learned from Gen. 20:13: "Moreover, she is indeed my sister, my father's daughter, though not my mother's daughter; and she became my wife." (Note that Abraham said this to appease Abimelech. It was actually only figuratively true in his case, since Sarah was the daughter of Abraham's brother. So they had the same paternal grandfather, who people often referred to as "father".) It also was universally accepted that father-daughter relations would be included, as evidenced by the disgrace of Lot after he had relations with his two daughters, following G-d's destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:29-36, and Rashi's explanation of Gen. 20:1). Relations of a female with a female are likewise an abomination to G-d which is included as one of the subjects of the verse Lev. 18:3, which speaks against the immoral practices of the ancient Egyptians and Canaanites, and which Lev. 18:30 refers to as "abominable traditions." About these the Midrash (Sifra) specifies: "A man would marry a man, a woman would marry a woman, and a woman would be married to two men."

3. Do Not Commit Theft.
The prohibition of theft is contained within the permission which G-d granted to Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:16 to eat from the trees of the garden. This implies that if the permission had not been granted, they would have been forbidden to do so, because the property did not belong to them. This applied specifically to the fruit of the Tree of "Knowledge of Good and Evil" which was forbidden for them to take, under penalty of death (Genesis 2:17).

(Note that Adam and Eve were not given permission to eat animals, so all humans were constrained to be vegetarians until after the Flood. G-d permitted the eating of meat for the first time to Noah and his family after they left the Ark, which is why G-d at that time added the seventh commandment, which prohibits the eating of flesh removed from a living animal.)

4. Establish Laws and Courts of Justice.
This can be learned from the story of Shechem, Dinah, and the sons of Jacob. In Genesis 34:2 it relates, "Shechem, son of Hamor the Hivvite, the prince of the land, saw her; he took her, and he lay with her, and violated her." His "taking" her against her will was a form of kidnapping, which was forbidden as a type of theft. Since the men of Shechem's city did not convene a court of justice and convict him for his crimes, they failed to obey this commandment and also collectively became accomplices to his crime. Jacob's sons therefore formed a court, convicted them, and executed them.

5. Don't Eat Flesh Taken From a Live Animal.
This commandment (the seventh) was given to Noah in Genesis 9:4. ("Nevertheless, you may not eat flesh with its life, which is its blood.")

The sources for the two remaining laws, which prohibit worship of false gods and cursing (blaspheming) G-d, are explained below.

But first note that the recounting and recording of the Seven Noahide Laws by Moses took place at Mt. Sinai, two days before G-d spoke the Ten Utterances in Ex. 20:1-14. In Exodus 24:3, it says "Moses came [before G-d spoke the Ten Utterances] and told the people all the words of G-d and ALL THE LAWS ..." The words "all the laws" refer to the Seven Noahide Laws and three additional Jewish laws, which the Children of Israel had already been commanded before they arrived at Mt. Sinai. (Moses told this total of 10 laws to the Israelites at Marah, after they crossed through the sea - see Exodus 15:25.) The next verse, Exodus 24:4, states that "Moses wrote all the words of G-d ..." These words were the Book of Genesis, which contains the Noahide Covenant and the Noahide Laws, and the Book of Exodus up to that point. G-d thus commanded the Jewish People at that time to remember the Noahide Laws, to teach them to all the nations of the world for all generations, and to provide for the establishment of Noahide courts in the Land of Israel for those Gentiles who choose to live there.

In the Oral Torah passed down through the Jewish prophets and sages and recorded in the Talmud (Sanhedrin p. 56b), it is explained that all these seven laws given are coded within the verse Gen. 2:16 ("And L-rd G-d commanded to the man, saying, 'Of every tree of the garden you may surely eat.") In Hebrew, the verse reads, "Va-y'tzav Havaye Elokim al ha'adom laymor mikol aits hagan achol tochayl." One of the 13 specific rules of authentic Torah exegesis is by a tradition of an analogy between two laws established on the basis of identical Hebrew expressions. The seven laws are coded into Gen. 2:16 as follows, as explained by the Talmudic sage Rabbi Yochanan:

1. The word Elokim is one of the holy divine Names which mean "G-d." But the same word is used in the non-holy plural sense to refer to physical or conceptual idolatries (other "gods"), as in the verse "You shall have no other gods ..." (Ex. 20.3). Thus the above statement to Adam implies that only G-d should be worshipped, but not an idol. According to this, a Gentile is liable for making an idol, even without worshipping it.

[Note: the Talmudic sage Rabbi Yitzchak offered an alternative derivation. He suggested that the word tzav ("command") in the verse points to a prohibition of worship of false gods. The verse would then teach that only G-d, the One True G-d, is the source of all true commandments, and therefore only G-d is to be served. The connection to idolatry is evident from Hosea 5:11: "Ephraim is plundered, shattered by his judgement; for he has willingly followed after their command/tzav" - i.e., the command of idolatrous priests.]

2. The unspoken four-letter Divine name in this verse, transposed to spoken form as Havaye, points to a prohibition against cursing G-d, as evident from Leviticus 24:16. ("And one who pronounces blasphemously the Name of the L-rd/Havaye shall be put to death, the entire assembly shall surely stone him; convert and native alike, when he blasphemes the Name, he shall be put to death." Note: in the painless mode of execution translated from Hebrew as "stoning", the convicted criminal was drugged and thrown to his death from a high tower onto a stone pavement. See Tractate Sanhedrin.)

3. The words al ha'adom ("to the man") point to the prohibition against murder, which is stated in Gen. 9:6 (see above).

4. The prohibition of the six forbidden sexual relations (see above) is pointed to by the word laymor ("saying"), as evident from Jeremiah 3:11 ("Saying/laymor: if a man divorces his wife, and she goes from him and marries another man, can he return to her again? Would that not bring profound guilt upon the land? Yet you have committed adultery with many lovers and would now return to Me - the word of the L-rd.")

5. The prohibition of theft is contained within the general sense of the verse, as explained above.

6. The word va-y'tzav ("He commanded") in the verse points to the requirement for courts of justice, as seen from the similar wording in the verse Gen. 18:19: "For I know him, that he will command ("y'tzaveh") his children and his household after him that they may keep the way of the L-rd, to do righteousness and justice."

[Note: the Talmudic sage Rabbi Yitzchak offered an alternative derivation. He suggested that the commandment to establish laws and courts of justice is pointed to by the word Elokim/G-d, which also means "judges." This is evident from Exodus 22:27, which uses this word to simultaneously prohibit cursing G-d and cursing judges - as explained for example by Maimonides in his Book of the Commandments.]

7. The verse concludes, "you may surely eat" - of the trees of the garden, but not meat removed from a live animal.

So there you have it!

QUESTION : (b) Where does it say that the 7 Noahide Laws are for all nations?

ANSWER : The simple answer to this question is that when G-d renewed these universal laws with Noah through the eternal Covenant of the Rainbow (see beginning of Genesis chapter 9), they were meant not just for Noah and his immediate family, but for all of Noah's descendents (i.e. all nations, for all time).

The definitive answer to the question is that when G-d told Moses to record the Noahide Laws and the story of Noah in the first book of the Torah, He commanded that these laws should be learned and practiced by all the nations, for all time.

From various narratives in Genesis, we also learn that a wide variety of peoples knew about and either practiced or were held responsible for the Noahide Laws: the Chaldeans (as demonstrated by Abraham, who personally knew Noah), the Philistines (as demonstrated by Abimelech), the Hivvites (as demonstrated by the story of Shechem), and the Canaanites (as demonstrated by the story of Sodom and Gomorrah).

[A further note from the Director: It seems to me, although I have not seen a source for this, that there is also a way that the universal nature of the Seven Commandments can be seen from the verses at the beginning of Genesis Chapter 9. After the Flood, in Gen. 9:1-7, G-d gives Noah and his family several directives. These begin with the blessing/directive to be fruitful and multiply (Gen.9:1). Then in verse 9:4, G-d prohibits the eating of flesh removed from a living animal. Then in verses 9:5 and 9:6, G-d prohibits murder and explicitly states in both 9:5 and 9:6 that this prohibition applies to all mankind. (Note that G-d says that murder is prohibited because He made mankind "in His image," which refers to the intellectual human soul that He invests within the human body.) Then in verse 9:7, G-d repeats the blessing/directive to be fruitful and multiply. Now the words of the Torah are very concise, and a verse is not repeated unless the repetition comes to teach us something new. In this case, it seems to me the repetition in verses 9:1 and 9:7 shows that G-d has a common intention for all the directives in this group of 7 verses. Since one of the directives is explicitly applied to all mankind, it is clear from the context that this intention applies to all the directives that are explicit or implicit in this group of verses - i.e., all of the Seven Commandments which G-d established with Noah and his family when they left the ark.]


27 posted on 06/02/2005 3:16:32 PM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: SuziQ

My guess is that unless a rabbi is a public teacher, there is no reason to publicize his learning.

'Kabbalah' is from a root meaning 'to recieve' and all of traditional Torah is a 'recieving' from teachers. The better expression might be 'sohd', which means 'secret' or 'hidden'. It is 'hidden' in the sense that it is very difficult to understand - like complex mathematics - and easy to misunderstand, because it uses words (that sometimes have ordinary meanings) instead of specialized symbols.

Rav Kaduri (Google him) is an example of a true 'kabbalist' who is known. Most public 'kabbalists' are just huxsters. Many more students and masters just learn quietly.


28 posted on 06/02/2005 6:36:39 PM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: hlmencken3

Isn't Madonna a kabbalist now? Seriously. I'm pretty sure that's what I've been hearing.

And my screen name here, ReagansRaiders -- guess what inspired the "Raiders" portion of it. I've got the official Stetson manufactured fedora put out in '89 for "The Last Crusade" and even have the original "Last Crusade" movie poster they sold at the theaters in '89 when it came out. I guess I'm a bit more of an expert on Indy than Endy is. ;)


29 posted on 06/02/2005 8:52:07 PM PDT by ReagansRaiders (Unofficial George Allen for President online store -- www.cafepress.com/georgeallen2008)
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To: hlmencken3

What is the point? The Ten Commandments are prescribed, and are even simpler as Christs Universal Commandment. I don't need to study a Kabbalah. THis study has nothing to do with Judiasm, as I respect Jews as St. Paul and Peter respected them.

I need only to work with the Church to understand and serve God. God provides what I need when I need it.

I do agree most purported "Kabbalists" fall under the category of fortune tellers. Any who would prophecy based on hidden secreets, is not makeing prophecy as the Prophets of old would make.


30 posted on 06/03/2005 4:29:49 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: STD; Duke Nukum

This guy claims he found the Ark of the Covenant already

http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/ark.htm


31 posted on 06/09/2005 1:35:20 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: STD; eyespysomething

I realize the evictions in Gaza are the focus of the media's attention right now, but we're talking about the Ark of the Covenant! Surely one or two reporters could wander over to Jones's press conference.

The Tisha B’Av Fast was yesterday and I haven't heard anything about his discovery ...


unless he didn't find it.


32 posted on 08/15/2005 1:59:36 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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33 posted on 04/21/2006 8:29:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: hripka

wow that's freakin nuts....


34 posted on 04/22/2006 6:41:07 AM PDT by DavemeisterP (It's never too late to be what you might have been....George Elliot)
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