First, I notice you seem to be trying to impress someone since you keep pinging so many people to whatever you type. Second, I don't ignore anyone who reads the bible, such is my respect for the bible.
As to your second point: 1) That's special; and 2) what good does it do you to misread Scripture, ignore its origin, reject its Church, etc.
I don't doubt that many "reformed" find their way to heaven not by the magic incantation of accepting, etc., but because they obey so much of what Christ demanded whatever their probably innocent deviations, that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the cross has been accessed by them despite the difficulties of lacking graces available through Masses and the sacraments. If you disagree with the last sentence, I really don't care.
For me to be vindicated as a Catholic, I don't need to make a fool of myself by imagining that you must be going to hell unless you surrender to my views or those of my Church. If you believe that I am going to hell for not agreeing with you, seek help. I might go to hell and so might you (as long as I live or you live, each of us is eligible) but it won't be for denominational disagreements.
The best Christian I ever knew was my mother's best friend, Hilda, a verrrrrrry old-fashioned, no nonsense old school Methodist. Some Catholics take the asinine tack that Hilda must be in hell because in 93 years she had plenty of opportunity to become Catholic and did not. After all, outside the Roman Catholic Church (as this particular belief goes) there is NO salvation. The PRE-VATICAN II (for the benefit of Catholics who disagree) hierarchy excommunicated Leonard Feeney, SJ, for that particular error. The Church may just be wide enough to include Hilda and, maybe, just maybe many of the "reformed" here whether they think so or not. Objective reality trumps subjective error anytime. God's plan just has to be better than yours or mine.
If Hilda is in heaven, she is in heaven because of the facts of her life, her passionate love of God, her fervent obedience of Him. She no doubt accepted Jesus Christ as her personal Lord and Savior. After all, who else would have or could have been her personal Lord and Savior?
Hilda and my mother had a great agreement not to argue politics or religion. My mother voted Democrat most of her life and Hilda was a very Republican and conservative woman. Eventually, my mother became (gasp) a registered Republican and never voted for another Democrat. Then she and Hilda talked politics, but not before. They never risked a great relationship by trying to convert each other on religion. After Hilda died, she got a lot of those indulgences that she did not believe in. No problem. Objective reality will trump subjective error anytime. As long as I live, Hilda will be remembered and she will be in my prayers whether she would have thught them useful or not.
BTW, (John 6:50-71) I posted Scripture earlier but got NO Scriptural responses.
As to your second point: 1) That's special; and 2) what good does it do you to misread Scripture, ignore its origin, reject its Church, etc.
I don't doubt that many "reformed" find their way to heaven not by the magic incantation of accepting, etc., but because they obey so much of what Christ demanded whatever their probably innocent deviations, that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the cross has been accessed by them despite the difficulties of lacking graces available through Masses and the sacraments. If you disagree with the last sentence, I really don't care.
For me to be vindicated as a Catholic, I don't need to make a fool of myself by imagining that you must be going to hell unless you surrender to my views or those of my Church. If you believe that I am going to hell for not agreeing with you, seek help. I might go to hell and so might you (as long as I live or you live, each of us is eligible) but it won't be for denominational disagreements.
The best Christian I ever knew was my mother's best friend, Hilda, a verrrrrrry old-fashioned, no nonsense old school Methodist. Some Catholics take the asinine tack that Hilda must be in hell because in 93 years she had plenty of opportunity to become Catholic and did not. After all, outside the Roman Catholic Church (as this particular belief goes) there is NO salvation. The PRE-VATICAN II (for the benefit of Catholics who disagree) hierarchy excommunicated Leonard Feeney, SJ, for that particular error. The Church may just be wide enough to include Hilda and, maybe, just maybe many of the "reformed" here whether they think so or not. Objective reality trumps subjective error anytime. God's plan just has to be better than yours or mine.
If Hilda is in heaven, she is in heaven because of the facts of her life, her passionate love of God, her fervent obedience of Him. She no doubt accepted Jesus Christ as her personal Lord and Savior. After all, who else would have or could have been her personal Lord and Savior?
Hilda and my mother had a great agreement not to argue politics or religion. My mother voted Democrat most of her life and Hilda was a very Republican and conservative woman. Eventually, my mother became (gasp) a registered Republican and never voted for another Democrat. Then she and Hilda talked politics, but not before. They never risked a great relationship by trying to convert each other on religion. After Hilda died, she got a lot of those indulgences that she did not believe in. No problem. Objective reality will trump subjective error anytime. As long as I live, Hilda will be remembered and she will be in my prayers whether she would have thught them useful or not.
BTW, (John 6:50-71) I posted Scripture earlier but got NO Scriptural responses.