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Church (of England) to let gay clergy ‘marry’ but they must stay celibate
Sunday Times (UK) ^ | 29th May 2005 | Christopher Morgan

Posted on 05/29/2005 2:48:28 PM PDT by Tantumergo

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To: TheGeezer

3% is a huge number. Do you think 3% of the general population is also accused of pedophile abuses? That would be more like .03%, which makes a priest 100 times more likely. It is a shameful number, and what is far worse is that instead of bringing them to judtice they are simply shufflled through the system.


21 posted on 05/29/2005 7:04:12 PM PDT by econ_grad
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To: Tantumergo
‘marry’ but... must stay celibate

Non sequitor par excellance!

22 posted on 05/29/2005 7:08:57 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: Tantumergo
Church (of England) to let gay clergy ‘marry’ but they must stay celibate

Just speechless.

23 posted on 05/29/2005 7:30:17 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: econ_grad
Do you think 3% of the general population is also accused of pedophile abuses? That would be more like .03%, which makes a priest 100 times more likely.

I consider 97% to be a huge number, which is the percentage of priests not accused of sexual abuses.

The great majority of accusations are not of pedophilic, but of homosexual abuses, as I explained in my last post.

I do not know what the rate of accusation of homosexual abuses are in the general population, although I think it would be far greater than you might think in this day and age.

The point is not to compare what the rate of abuse is elsewhere, actually; I only mentioned the rate of abuse amongst married, Protestant clergy to assert that celibacy is not the cause of the problem. Any sexual abuse by clergy is an outrage, a violation of trust. What happened was, Catholic (and other) academics in the seminaries abandoned the Truth in favor of worldly wisdom, some of which was Kinsey sexuality and secular moral relativism.

I agree the bishops have been at fault. They have to answer for. It must be cleaned up, and it will be. The scent of brimstone is inthe Church. It will be swept clean.

24 posted on 05/29/2005 7:59:04 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: econ_grad
Like these proper religions, right?
25 posted on 05/29/2005 8:23:44 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: sionnsar

Soddom, anyone?

Gomorrah?

[Or: once-great britain's apostate-"Anglican" loony London-based lemmings have literally lost it and leapt!]


26 posted on 05/29/2005 8:26:09 PM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Tantumergo; Kolokotronis

Marriage is the union of a man and a woman that is pledged to be lifelong. Period. Anything else is not marriage, but "marriage".

Given all the "gay"-activist mischief that (supposedly celebate) gaysbian pastors engage in in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, including in my local area, I do not think that gaysbians should be pastors or priests. Call me a hard-liner, but my views are based on hard knocks!!!!


27 posted on 05/29/2005 8:33:47 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Hristos voskrese!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Abuse of children can be done in any church given the fact that there are plenty of children that are engaged in church activities. However, it is only with the Catholic Church where systematic abusers were protected by the church hierarchy.


28 posted on 05/29/2005 8:40:15 PM PDT by econ_grad
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To: TheGeezer

I am sorry that is not you compare things. Trust me, 3% is a huge number considering the rest of the population.

It used to be the case that priests could marry. I think it was forbidden post reformation. There is no reason why priests cannot marry and have a healthy sexual life. I agree celibacy is not the problem, but the point of the article is two-fold: first you need to be married to have sex and second homosexual sex is sinful - both within the bounds of the Christian faith.


29 posted on 05/29/2005 8:44:06 PM PDT by econ_grad
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To: Honorary Serb

Is marriage only between man and a woman? I wonder where you get that definition from.


30 posted on 05/29/2005 8:45:58 PM PDT by econ_grad
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To: econ_grad
Is marriage only between man and a woman? I wonder where you get that definition from.

You know it's true, so why do you pretend to wonder?

31 posted on 05/29/2005 9:00:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: econ_grad
I wonder if you've got any bile for those members of the NEA who along with other public school employees were perpetrating sexual assaults against 4.5 MILLION children between 1994 and 2004. You probably don't realize that 97% of all pedophiles are married men, either. Since you're such a self proclaimed numbers person you should engage in some edification before you flap your gums, unless, of course, you're a Keynesian.
32 posted on 05/29/2005 9:04:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: econ_grad
However, it is only with the Catholic Church where systematic abusers were protected by the church hierarchy.

You are sadly mistaken. http://csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html

Your calling is that of a house painter, not economics. I wonder which diploma mill sold you a degree.

33 posted on 05/29/2005 9:12:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Tantumergo
"They accept, however, that the new law leaves them little choice but to accept the right of gay clergy to have civil partners."

O.K. Let's understand something. Under the secular/civil law, you may have a right to this and that. But under moral law, you have NO right to be a priest or bishop. Occupying such a position is a privilege, not a right, and if you violate the rules you can/should be removed from office.

So if you are in a particular kind of relationship, or if you hold a particular set of theological opinions, you have every right to do so, and I would not change that for anything.

But you do not<>/b> have a right to have that relationship and/or espouse those views and hold Holy Orders. In such a case, you are violating the oath you took. Get another job.

Perhaps this is an excellent argument against an established Church.

34 posted on 05/29/2005 9:27:57 PM PDT by RonF
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I am more than content in what I do. This article does not refute what I said. What I said was that the catholic church hierarchy knew full well of the sex abuse cases and kept shuffling the priests in the system knowing full well of those abuses. You didn't refute those claims. Hope english is your first langauge.


35 posted on 05/30/2005 12:01:22 AM PDT by econ_grad
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Hyperbole. No point in trying to flame me without logic. The catholic church incubated and protected pedophiles. You cannot run from that fact.


36 posted on 05/30/2005 12:02:39 AM PDT by econ_grad
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To: hinckley buzzard

So, polygamy is not marriage?


37 posted on 05/30/2005 12:03:29 AM PDT by econ_grad
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To: Tantumergo; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...

Married but celibate!!? They're only kidding themselves ... there is no way to monitor these 'marriages'. Another delusional attempt to appease the GLSM.


38 posted on 05/30/2005 4:34:22 AM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Tantumergo
It's not April 1st

So why am I spilling coffee on my keyboard?

Gays without sex?

That is like asking rabbits not to have sex! ;-)
39 posted on 05/30/2005 4:37:13 AM PDT by cgbg (When do I wake up from this socialist nightmare?)
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To: econ_grad
You are right. A proper religion will have homosexual priests in the closet and molest little boys from time to time, and when allegations surface they should be chanelled to safe havens.

Thanks for the gratuitous Catholic-bashing. Of course what it really proves is why you need a zero tolerance for gay priests, but some people are too blind to see that.

40 posted on 05/30/2005 4:40:41 AM PDT by Always Right
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