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Church (of England) to let gay clergy ‘marry’ but they must stay celibate
Sunday Times (UK) ^ | 29th May 2005 | Christopher Morgan

Posted on 05/29/2005 2:48:28 PM PDT by Tantumergo

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To: PetroniusMaximus

"there shall come a falling away first..."

If this isn't the great apostasy, then it's probably it's first cousin.


41 posted on 05/30/2005 5:26:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: TheGeezer; econ_grad; NYer; sionnsar

<< the liberal press has described the issue as priestly pedophilia, when in fact it is better described as priestly homosexuality. >>

Or, to at least simulate accuracy, as the consequence of the sodomists attack and hostile colonizing of the Church.

The depravity was always of the sodomists -- and never of the Church.

And, for what it's worth, the incidence of acts of sexual depravity perpetrated upon minors is incredibly higher among liberal school teachers than it ever was among poofters posing as Priests.


42 posted on 05/30/2005 5:50:43 AM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Tantumergo

Wait a minute - isn't a marriage license an implied agreement to at least have sex less often?


43 posted on 05/30/2005 5:54:24 AM PDT by Bernard
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To: econ_grad

For the Catholic Church, the marriage of priests is the only thing that will save the seminary system. Right now, a hetero would be out of place in the homo dominated system.


44 posted on 05/30/2005 6:01:41 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Loyalist
How can he endorse quasi-marriage for homosexual clerics and then expect them to abstain from homosexual relations?

It isn't about the clergy; it's about how much the laity will take at one go...so to speak. The laity will be jollied along by this soothing assurance for a few years. After everyone is reconciled to its futility, the other shoe will fall, ker-plunk.

45 posted on 05/30/2005 7:44:15 AM PDT by Romulus (Der Inn fließt in den Tiber.)
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To: econ_grad
It used to be the case that priests could marry.

No it did not. In times past, married men were permitted to be ordained - this is still the case in the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church (and f.w.i.w. the Eastern Orthodox).

I think it was forbidden post reformation.

You're about 400 years out there. There was always a significant celibate population among the clergy, it was made mandatory in the Latin rite around the beginning of the last millenium.

I agree celibacy is not the problem, but the point of the article is two-fold: first you need to be married to have sex and second homosexual sex is sinful - both within the bounds of the Christian faith.

Which makes me wonder why you have started to discuss celibacy, which is totally irrelevant to your points as stated above.
46 posted on 05/30/2005 7:48:33 AM PDT by tjwmason (Viva il Papa!)
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To: Tantumergo
This reminds me of when one of my daughters was in college and she wanted to take an off campus apartment with several friends, including her boyfriend. They would have separate bedrooms, she told us. Why wouldn't we pay for it? She needed to live SOMEWHERE. Oh, we were SO UREASONABLE. WE JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW.

Now, after a very rough road (of which this episode was the smallest of bumps), she's returned to the fold, and I can (almost) laugh at this nonsense when I see it.

47 posted on 05/30/2005 8:04:14 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Brian Allen
[Or: once-great britain's apostate-"Anglican" loony London-based lemmings have literally lost it and leapt!]

I'm afraid so. I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more about this in days to come.

Be interesting to hear from ++Akinola...

48 posted on 05/30/2005 8:58:23 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Fraud in WA: More votes than voters!)
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To: Brian Allen

Is there a lot of allegation of priests hooking up with each other?


49 posted on 05/30/2005 10:41:53 AM PDT by econ_grad
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To: tjwmason

I didn't someone else brought it up. Even married folks can be pedophiles. The only way to root out pedophilia in the church is to have a zero tolerance for it, and not hide these monsters in the system.


50 posted on 05/30/2005 10:46:57 AM PDT by econ_grad
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To: old and tired

"They would have separate bedrooms, she told us. Why wouldn't we pay for it? She needed to live SOMEWHERE."

LOL! Typical teenagers - they must think we are soooooooo stupid!!!

What gets me is that these "bishops" really are soooooooo stupid.


51 posted on 05/30/2005 11:15:55 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
Gee, what more could the sodomites ask for??
Totally ludicrous Christianity. The insane are running the asylum. Not hardly a one in the whole Anglican Church willing to be a ghost of a martyr for Christ. Come Lord Jesus.
52 posted on 05/30/2005 4:36:54 PM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: econ_grad
What I said was that the catholic church hierarchy knew full well of the sex abuse cases and kept shuffling the priests in the system knowing full well of those abuses.

If it were a problem of denomination, it would be easier, but it's a non-denominational human affliction, both the crimes and the cover-ups. Since this thread is about Anglicans, here's a few examples from Australia:

In 1994, Brazier received 2 year suspended jail term after pleading guilty to 3 charges of indecently assaulting boy, aged 16, while priest at Tailem Bend-Meningie parish, southeast of Adelaide. Church in 2002 criticised for shifting priest with child sex conviction to another parish…

Dr Peter John Hollingworth is pressured publicly and politically to resign as GG, "Australia's highest office", over his handling of at least 6 separate sex abuse cases while archbishop of Brisbane Anglican Church. Allegations include Hollingworth, of Yarralumla, Canberra: 1: appointed convicted QLD pedophile priest Reverend John ELLIOTT as rector of 2 Brisbane parishes; 2: failed to act on child sex abuse allegations against Toowoomba Anglican preparatory school boarding master, Kevin GUY; 3: authorised secret cash settlements to hush up sex abuse evidence against Brisbane Anglican school counsellor, Kevi n LYNCH; 4: appointed Brisbane senior priest Canon Ross McAULEY, himself the subject of abuse allegations, to QLD Church Sexual Abuse Committee; 5: failed to act on child sex abuse allegations against former Rockhampton Anglican bishop…

An organization calling itself SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests) will file a lawsuit against an Episcopal priest who abused a California youngster years ago, and still serves in a parish today…

In the small town of Seymour, townspeople are shocked to learn that the late Anglican Fr. Sapsford molested dozens of alter boys while he was married with children, and after his serial molestation at another church was revealed in 1996. There are allegations by the parents of the victim boys that the Archbishop covered up the original allegations…

Brisbane Anglican archbishop Peter Hollingworth comes under fire after appointing McAuley to Church Sexual Abuse Committee while Brisbane archbishop despite being aware of allegations that McAuley sexually abused 2 males. One victim, choirboy aged 15, was allegedly assaulted in 1975 at Brookfield, Brisbane. In 1995, Hollingworth appoints McAuley to Sexual Abuse Committee despite protests from first victim…

In 1999, Ellmore received 12 month jail sentence in Liverpool District Court after pleading guilty to indecently assaulting 2 sisters, aged 6 and 8, and another girl, aged 7, in 1976 while training for priesthood at Newcastle college, northeastern NSW. Court hears Ellmore, who was ordained in 1978, assaulted sisters in Hunter Valley and molested 7 year old in vestry of All Saints Anglican Cathedral, Bathurst…

Victim, who described ruling as "joke", claims priest assaulted him "several times a week for a year" and that church officials put him on bus to Kings Cross after complaints made…


53 posted on 05/30/2005 10:41:39 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Loyalist

Well,you know,we all know,Rowan Williams knows that it was just empty words , I nearly burst out laughing[although it'ain't funny] to proclaim "NO HOOTCHIE KOO!!" Nobody will buy it but it MUST be said to move on to the next[and there will be a next] thing


54 posted on 05/30/2005 10:52:01 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Tantumergo

What a tangled web we weave...


55 posted on 05/31/2005 5:08:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Loyalist
"Leave it to Rowan the Fuzzy to come up with this typically Anglican hodge-podge of a compromise.

How can he endorse quasi-marriage for homosexual clerics and then expect them to abstain from homosexual relations?"

Simple. He's a pagan.

56 posted on 05/31/2005 6:59:47 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
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To: sionnsar; Tantumergo

One more reason for separation of Church and State.


57 posted on 06/01/2005 11:55:13 AM PDT by LibreOuMort ("...But as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry)
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