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Unraveling Jesus' mystery years in Egypt
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | July 29, 2005 | Tom Breen

Posted on 07/31/2005 5:38:30 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 07/31/2005 5:38:30 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...


2 posted on 07/31/2005 5:39:12 AM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

I'm glad someone out there took this project. There really isn't much outside of Egypt on the topic and it would be interesting to know more.


3 posted on 07/31/2005 5:54:31 AM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: NYer

Very interesting. We really don't know much about our Lord's childhood.

It would be interesting for the Coptics to provide more information about their tradition.


4 posted on 07/31/2005 6:01:46 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Eastern Catholicism: tonic for the lapsed Catholic)
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To: NYer

Here's a link to an icon showing the flight into Egypt. Note that St. James the Brother of the Lord takes up the rear:

http://www.thehtm.org/images/a-366.jpg


5 posted on 07/31/2005 6:05:18 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: RKBA Democrat; NYer

I'm sure that by the time the revisionist "History" Channel gets a hold of the story, they'll add the missing chapters of Jesus' adolescence years in present day Utah.


6 posted on 07/31/2005 6:07:09 AM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: SaltyJoe

"... missing chapters of Jesus' adolescence years in present day Utah."

More likely Cornwall.

http://www.greatdreams.com/jesus2.htm


7 posted on 07/31/2005 6:16:00 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Graves; NYer; Salvation
Jesus was in England? Yeah, well now it all makes sense. I bet he had a guitar and harmonica act to go along with his ministry too. But, hey! that's why the Beatles could rightfully say that they were bigger than Jesus, it's because mankind hadn't developed vinyl recording technology yet. Otherwise, the smash hits that Jesus had back in the day when he was touring London's pub to pub scene would have rendered the Beatles career to a distant unforgotten footnote. John and Paul should be thanking their lucky stars.

P.S. I've got Jesus unregistered Gospel albums that the Vatican doesn't know about. If you don't tell anyone, I'll post them on Napster for you download. HUSH HUSH.

You'll get all the great hits, like "Cobble stones between my toes," "There's a bee kissing the flowers in my hair," and, "Oh, them saucy wenches from the way West Indies when I was a wee kid wonder! (actually written by a childhood friend and not Jesus, but He does a great rendition, I promise)"

If any of this is heresy, I'll stop right now.

Love, handshakes, hugs, and kisses,
Saltyjoe
who's nursing Red Bull and 4 shots of cappuccino after a 12 hour midnight shift).

And, if someone doesn't make me stop, I'll tell you were Jesus spends His retirement years too!
8 posted on 07/31/2005 7:04:32 AM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: SaltyJoe

Good stuff there!


9 posted on 07/31/2005 7:07:01 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Isis influence has largely been purged from Christianity except in southern France.


10 posted on 07/31/2005 7:15:22 AM PDT by bert (K.E. ; N.P . The wild winds of fortune will carry us onward)
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"Isis influence has largely been purged from Christianity except in southern France."

. . . and maybe Bosnia, if you're thinking of Albigensian dualism. It was called Bogomilism in Bosnia, "the Bosnian religion".


11 posted on 07/31/2005 7:20:03 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: NYer
For those interested in buying the video, check out Jesus in Egypt.
12 posted on 07/31/2005 8:30:17 AM PDT by nonsumdignus (Is Sainthood your Goal?)
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''I'm not a born-again Christian, but this experience has changed me spiritually. It's been enlightening.''

Study into the doctrines of regeneration, salvation, and discernment between body, soul and spirit indicate that the significant aspect of Christianity is being born again, regenerated, in the spirit. Until that action by the Holy Spirit, we remain dead to God in the spirit. For this reason, the phrase, "this experience changed me spiritually" without being born again, if truthful, might mean the person's soul has been possessed by a fallen angel or that the person confuses soulish emotionalism with the spirit.

Interestingly, the author uses buzzwords also associated with those who study the occult such as 'enlightenment'.

13 posted on 07/31/2005 9:49:01 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi; redgolum
Religion ping.


14 posted on 07/31/2005 9:59:31 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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I liked when Jesus was a boy and he used to travel into the future to join up with the Legion of SuperHeroes. (if you got this joke you are a geek)
15 posted on 07/31/2005 10:04:56 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Cvengr

"Interestingly, the author uses buzzwords also associated with those who study the occult such as 'enlightenment'."

In Orthodox Christianity, the newly baptized are said to be enlightened. So the concept of enlightenment is not owned by devotees of the occult.


16 posted on 07/31/2005 10:23:31 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Graves

Interesting note. I haven't studied Eastern Orthodox belief as much as simply Scripture. I don't find the word "enlightenment" or "enlightened" in Strong's Concordance, but simple searches regarding the word associated with spirit lead to New Age and numerous other belief systems outside of Christianity. I find issues such as spiritual baptism and new birth or rebirth or regeneration to be Scripturally based, but in the author's context, it appears he avoids that association in favor of an alternate religious belief.


17 posted on 07/31/2005 11:39:22 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Cvengr

"Interesting note. I haven't studied Eastern Orthodox belief as much as simply Scripture."

After the baptism, the newly baptized receives Holy Communion as the deacon or priest says, "The newly enlightened N. receives the Body and Blood of Christ."


18 posted on 07/31/2005 11:49:25 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: NYer

SINGER:
Brian. The babe they called 'Brian',
He grew,... grew, grew, and grew--
Grew up to be-- grew up to be
A boy called 'Brian'--
A boy called 'Brian'.
He had arms... and legs... and hands... and feet,
This boy... whose name was 'Brian',
And he grew,... grew, grew, and grew--
Grew up to be--
Yes, he grew up to be
A teenager called 'Brian'--
A teenager called 'Brian',
And his face became spotty.
Yes, his face became spotty,
And his voice dropped down low
And things started to grow
On young Brian and show
He was certainly no--
No girl named 'Brian',
Not a girl named 'Brian'.

And he started to shave
And have one off the wrist
And want to see girls
And go out and get pissed,
A man called 'Brian'--
This man called 'Brian'--
The man they called 'Brian'--
This man called 'Brian'!
[crash]
Ahh!


19 posted on 07/31/2005 11:56:14 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock - Make the elected personally liable for their wasteful spending)
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To: Graves; Cvengr

"..every man did that which was right in his own eyes". Judges 21:25

Note that the verse mentions that men were doing that which was 'right' in their own eyes. While not following the Law to the 't', still, they were probably trying to do some things in a religious/moral fashion.

That's the way so much of 'Christianity' has been: following scripture to an extent, but allowing unspiritual leaders to lead.

Is an 'enlightening' experience a conversion (born again)?
What saith the Word?

Paul was blinded and heard a voice claiming to be Jesus. That was enlightening, but not a conversion. Acts 9:1-19; 22:4-16

The Samaritans were glad and joyful when told the gospel (sounds like some sort of enlightenment), but were not born again yet. Acts 8:5-17

The vision from the Lord that Cornelius had was 'enlightening', but he wasn't born again yet. Acts 10.

The Lord was smart in not putting into the inspired word the month or day of his fleshly birth or his baptism. Regardless, people have made a commercial bonanza out of his birth. If his baptism had been recorded by date, multitudes would put off baptism until the aniversary of that day, causing busy baptistries one day out of the year.

Small wonder he didn't inspire writers to record his life while in Egypt. I'm sure he could see the commercialism that would have come to pass. Imagine: "Come to Nile to see where 5 yr old Jesus learned how to swim", "Hike the same trail 6 yr old Jesus did to go fishing". And on and on it would go.

His emphasis is the Gospel of the kingdom of God. At best, everything else is a distant second place.


20 posted on 07/31/2005 3:44:17 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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