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To: Zuriel

You don't believe the Church and what she teaches? How sad. It's your funeral.


25 posted on 07/31/2005 5:55:14 PM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Graves

Well, someone named Graves probably knows a thing or two about funerals. :)

Your church does not believe the conversion commanded by the Lord in John 3:3-8 "..thou hearest the sound...so is EVERYONE that is born of the spirit"; Peter (you know, the man some call the first 'pope') in Acts 2:38,39; 10:44-48; and Paul's own conversion in Acts 9:17,18; 22:16. If your church believed it, they would command water and Spirit baptism (I think your church believes in repentance).

I debated others of your persuasion on this forum before. Feel free to read those 'swordfights'.


You say, "How sad. It's your funeral."

Interesting. Oh great almighty mr. Graves, how many have you judged and can confirm are in hell (or heaven)?


26 posted on 07/31/2005 8:16:07 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Graves

You think someone can be condemned if they don't believe Jesus was born December 25th, in spite of the strong scriptural evidence that Jesus was in fact NOT born in December?

You don't seem to be making sure of the more important things. When I examine the scriptures with regard to what you are saying, I find:

"One man judges one day as above another; another man judges one day as all others; let each man be fully convinced in his own mind." Romans 13:5

"You are scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that somehow I have toiled to no purpose respecting you." Galatians 4:10,11

Quite frankly, it isn't important what day Jesus was born. What is important is that he died, and rose and reigns as King.

The early Christians did not maintain December 25th as the "birthday" of Jesus. Early church fathers like Clement of Alexandria thought Jesus was born in November, other documents indicate maybe March.

December 25th was eventually chosen by the Church because that corresponded with the Roman festival of Saturnalia. It's clearly pagan in origin. As are the Christmas trees, the mistletoe, the "yule log", and other traditions associated with Christmas. They're all pagan in origin.

We should be wary about mixing light with dark, Christ with Belial. But if you insist on celebrating Christmas anyway, you have no standing to judge those who are honest about it.


32 posted on 08/01/2005 12:38:00 PM PDT by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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