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Ill pray the Holy Spirit convicts these leaders of the ELCA.

I hope for the best and expect the worst.

1 posted on 08/02/2005 10:55:00 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: wallcrawlr

.....Decision Time for Mainline Lutherans.....The 'KJV' or,...Harry Potter?


2 posted on 08/02/2005 11:00:06 AM PDT by maestro
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To: wallcrawlr; TonyRo76; Cletus.D.Yokel
Decision Time for Mainline Lutherans

The ELCA may be "mainline" liberal social-political ecumaniac Protestants, but they're not very Lutheran. They don't deserve that excellent name.

I'm speaking here, of course, of official, headquarters-and-seminaries ELCA, not necessarily of the remaining faithful Lutheran congregations and pastors.

3 posted on 08/02/2005 11:01:14 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: wallcrawlr; Hermann the Cherusker; FormerLib; MarMema; kosta50

Looks to me as if we're looking at a worldwide attack that crosses all denominational & jurisdictional boundary lines.


5 posted on 08/02/2005 11:16:35 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: wallcrawlr; biblewonk
Decision Time for Mainline Lutherans

I wonder what basis they'll use for their decision. If the Bible, the decision really comes down to whether they're willing to ignore certain additional parts of it.

Since they've been ordaining female pastors for so many years, sodomite pastors shouldn't present too formidable a challenge.

6 posted on 08/02/2005 11:17:51 AM PDT by newgeezer (for further reading on this subject, see Romans 1:26-32)
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The proposal asks members to "trust pastors and congregations to discern ways to provide faithful pastoral care to same-sex couples."

All that either should have to say in such a situation is "go and sin no more."

It was clearly good enough for Jesus, the only question is whether this church follows Him or someone else.

13 posted on 08/02/2005 11:48:33 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: wallcrawlr

I will repeat a posting I offered yesterday on a similar thread, as We are all deeply concerned about what may happen later this week in Orlando. To that end, one of the fine orthodox clergy Voting Members from my Synod has composed some prayers for use during these eight days of distress.

I strongly urge all who are concerned to "tithe" their rhetoric (FR and otherwise) and offer no less than 10$ of it heavenward in the days ahead:

God of grace and glory whose compassion led to the cross and the grave we pray that you would keep our eyes focused on you. By the power of your Holy Spirit fill us with humility so that we would only seek your will and not our own. Fill us with hope as we remember your triumph over sin and death and as we look forward to your final victory over suffering and evil. Lord, in your mercy....hear our prayer.

Almighty and ever living God, the wisdom of the ages lays at your command. Stir up your power and come to us that we would draw on the insight of your Word for the decisions that we make. Help us to speak the truth in love and to be on our guard against the deceivers of this world. Give us the courage and energy it takes to stand up when we are called on to be servants of your Word. Lord, in your mercy....hear our prayer.

Holy God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in you we live and move and have our being. You know what we need even before we ask, help us to walk in your ways and to lead others to the truth. Bless our leaders with wisdom and give all decision makers clarity of thought. Help us to trust in you for you live and reign one God through all ages. Lord, in your mercy....hear our prayer.

Precious Savior, you hearkened the little children to come unto you. Continue to make our congregations safe havens for children that what we teach may bring strength and direction to their lives. Bless parents and educators and all those who work with children that they may not grow weary in doing what is right but may be lifted up to be examples of righteousness and holiness for the sake of your holy name. Lord, in your mercy....hear our prayer.

Patient God, we thank you for your forgiveness and the new life that you bring. Transform our lives this day. Make us more ready to forgive and to give. Encourage husbands and wives to remain faithful to their wedding vows and to live lives of commitment and service. Lord, in your mercy....hear our prayer.

Eternal God, your wisdom spans the generations and brings stability to a changing world. Keep us steadfast in your unchanging love and bind us together with your holy Word. Bless the family dear God, that as we deal with the constant demands of this world we would not succumb to competing priorities but be diligent in our calling as your children marked by your cross in Holy Baptism. Make our lights shine before others and give glory to you Father, Son and Holy Spirit, now and forever. Amen.

Rev. Sara Gausmann, Co-pastor Saint Paul Lutheran Church,York.


23 posted on 08/02/2005 12:19:34 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: wallcrawlr
To Jeff Johnson, the openly gay pastor of the University Lutheran Chapel at the University of California at Berkeley, "the trajectory of the church is clearly moving in a progressive direction."

If it gets more progressive, it will be considerably smaller by members and congregations.!

34 posted on 08/02/2005 12:51:48 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (BOHICA!)
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I don't like this primarily because our troop meets at a Lutheran church and I am holding a merit badge fair at another Lutheran church in the fall.

How will this affect their support for the Boy Scouts?

54 posted on 08/02/2005 1:31:47 PM PDT by MarMema
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It's interesting that the bishop of the Southeast Michigan Synod (second only to Hanson's home St. Paul Area Synod in pushing the left's agenda), who's been quite vocal in those issues, is apparently about to accept a call to pastorship in a New York congregation (per the website of a SEMI synod church, searchable). SEMI synod's website has a new URL and is conveniently 'under construction' as Orlando looms. Maybe he doesn't savor the thought of having to swing the axe in a 'Connecticut Six' style situation that he helped create in the ELCA.


77 posted on 08/02/2005 2:08:58 PM PDT by polymuser
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To: wallcrawlr
Go LCMS ! Letting Scripture interpret Scripture since 1847.

Sola Fide - Sola Gratia - Sola Scriptura

84 posted on 08/02/2005 2:18:48 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Mr. Chambers! Don't get on that ship! The rest of the book, "To Serve Man", it's... it's a cookbook!)
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To: wallcrawlr
I got nervous reading the article, but no mention of the conservative Lutheran Missouri Synod, thank God.

We're holding firm while other (liberal) Lutheran synods go wobbly.

Leni

111 posted on 08/02/2005 4:10:31 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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This is why we left our Lutheran church 2 years ago.


172 posted on 08/10/2005 3:18:54 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where there are no rules or standards in elections.)
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Recaption - Decision Time for Elites


180 posted on 08/12/2005 5:18:27 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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