Posted on 08/14/2005 9:31:12 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
was that for me, or lightman? :)
We celebrated The Assumption of Mary yesterday.
However, I do admit, when I replied to lightman, I hadn't "caffeinated" my veins yet :)
I hope you both had a Blessed day!
The 24/7 retail world has gutted any real observance of the 3rd Commandment (Luther's numbering, 4th for everyone else) so it is no surprise that trying to maintain any other days as holy is a real upstream swim. The sad truth is that many children are growing up believing that Church "happens" only on Sundays, except perhaps for Christmas Eve.
Here in L.A. Modman Mahony started demanding a few years ago that for communion, the people in the BACK of the church have to come forward first, and then the traffic was to proceed forward row by row until the front pews are last. He acutally quoted Scripture as a basis for this laughable, ridiculous innovation, saying that the last shall be first and the first shall be last, and that all the while communion was distributed, we should all think about that passage. I am surprised to hear that some parishes actually embraced this ruse and are continuing to this day in this additional example of diabolical disorientation in practice.
It wasn't any document from VatII that he used for this, either. The list of changes that are now in practice under the pretense of "the Council" (inferring that there are no other councils) or the [unclean] spirit of Vatican II is an immense list, far more extensive than "the Council" ever envisioned, it seems to me.
You would think that an encyclical from the Pope would be enough to trump the local bishop, but this is unfortunately not the case any more. They call it "aggiornamento," and collegiality. The pope makes a bold statement like this, and like so many other things (we could make a big list), the bishops of the world immediately ignore it. It's almost as if they agreed ahead of time to act in concert.
If the pope were to take any specific action against the offending prelates, the "price to pay" would be ostensibly too high (whatever that means) therefore, nothing is done.
The fact that such bold statements have no teeth in them makes them impotent and obviated. That's how they got rid of lots of things, such as the annual recitation of the Oath Against Modernism in about 1966, in seminaries all over the world. For if the pope really wanted to institute a conservation of the traditions handed down to us whether by word or by letter, he would attach penalties to transgressions and then carry out the consequential sentences as the need arises. But that is no longer done. Therefore the collapse is in progress...
It was for lightman and for sojourner, but your post is where I read it. Sorry for the slip.
The 3rd Commandment, "Thou shalt keep holy the Sabbath Day," is the Catholic Church's traditional enumeration. It was the Protestants who protested (thus their title) and divided the first Commandment into two. Even their resulting first and second were regarding the same principle, the worship of the One True God (and not false gods, including graven images).
When they were done, the erstwhile 3rd became the new 4th. The old fourth (and the one traditional Catholics still use) is "Thou shalt honor thy father and thy mother."
So when you see "sins against the 6th and 9th Commandments" in the writings of the Fathers, saints and Doctors of the Church, you are reading about the sins of the flesh, transgressions against "Thou shalt not commit adultery," and "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife." But if you're Protestant, you would not understand this, thinking that there is not continuity with the writing and the two Commandments: "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." As a Protestant, one would likely think these, the 5th and 8th are the 6th and 9th, since the 1st had been cleverly divided and the 9th and 10th combined, bumping down the second through the 9th by one.
They combined the 9th and 10th into one, in order to maintain the number at 10, instead of having to call it the 11 Commandments. Too much change can be a bad thing, apparently. You've got to draw the line SOMEWHERE! It has always made me wonder how the "feminists" don't make that move a big deal because it effectively lumps wives in with chickens, goats, boats and motorcycles, as "neighbor's goods." What feminist wants to be chattel? That's more like a Mohammedan theme than a Christian one!
You said, "Luther's numbering, 4th for everyone else." Everyone else does not include traditional Catholics, so perhaps you are figuring they are "nobodies." I don't really know, but perhaps you are misled by the fact that all Novus Ordo parishes that I have encountered in the past 10 years have fallen into the new enumeration of the Protestants regarding not only the 10 Commandments but also the Psalms. The way the Psalms have been jostled around in the KJV and the NAB, etc., is quite disturbing. But that would take two more pages to cover...
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