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To: BulldogCatholic
We can only pray for our fallen away Novus Ordo

Are we going to start this up again? I am sure people appreciate prayer, made in good faith.

If you hold that the Novus Ordo is an invalid or harmful mass, then you have fallen into error, and perhaps schism. The same holds true for those who hold the Tridentine Mass is no longer valid. The comment about Luther, and about the Church removing the four marks are equally untrue, and hints to your actual purpose; which seems to be trolling.

The Bishops in the dioceses set up the calendar. They have done so for centuries. They have adjusted dates to celebrate feasts based on many reasons, not all of them religious.

I don't care for a dispensation of HDOs on Monday and Saturday. It causes one unintended consequence, a Parish will not plan extra masses for the Monday or Saturday HDO, and that makes it hard for those whop do observe.

If you realize that Bishops have adjusted dates of HDOs well before Vatican II, then the OP seems to be trolling.
38 posted on 08/15/2005 8:17:06 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

Trolling>? For what? Novus Ordo supporters who are embarrased that their Bishops and the Pope no longer require and or allow you to:

Fast 3 hours before mass

Kneel to receive the sacred species

Allow all kinds of liturgical dancing and music

Allow communion in the hand from a "minister"

Worship "eachother" instead of God

Partake in the "Lords Supper" and not "The Sacrifice of the Mass"

Dress however you please (shorts, flip flops, immodest midriffs showing, etc)

Hold hands, clap, sing whatever during the "Pater Noster"

Altar girls

Now because a holy day falls before or after a Sunday, as long as you attend Mass on the sunday that "counts"!

Retranslated the bible "The NAB" to make it "politically correct"

Allow 60,000 annulments a year!

Hate anything pre-Vatican II

The question I always pose to those who throw the accusation around about the NO mass being valid or invalid is a simple analogy, and I note you have placed much emphasis on the Bishops, and it is as follows:

If the Pope or for that matter tomorrow told you that he (she? soon to be?) told you to that Buddah had much to offer and as at Fatima where JPII allowed the Hindus to worship, your diocese as well as most other dioceses except for maybe 10% of the church's (which will still allow your Novus Ordo Mass but with "modifications") and you were to start incorporating some of the ways hindus, etc worship into your liturgy (and the Bishop can do what they want as we all know)...what would you do?

That is the same question that many Traditional Catholics were faced with after Vatican II and in the past 40 years. We have been told that we must worship like Protestants, only we are still going to call ourselves Catholics. No-you may have been able to sell that "obedience" line to the cafeteria catholics and the Kerry supporters who are Catholics (some 50% of catholics voted for the Pro abortion Kerry as well as Clinton). But it does not work on those that are real "Catholics" as handed down from the Apostles.

39 posted on 08/15/2005 10:07:04 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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