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"Minister of Annoyance" Attacks Catholic festival in Carey, Ohio.
Ohio New Network ^ | August 16, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 08/16/2005 7:25:17 AM PDT by vladimir998

Fight Breaks Out At Catholic Festival

Fights broke out during the annual Feast of the Assumption pilgrimage in Carey Sunday afternoon at the Our Lady of Consolation Shrine.

The religious event is supposed to bring thousands of people together to honor the Virgin Mary, which falls on every Aug. 15.

The annual event was interuppted after a group, known as the "Minister of Annoyance," told the numerous Catholics in attendance to not believe in God and disown their faith.

It sparked a fight between the group and a few teenagers. Carey police were called and arrested three teens and one adult.

One person was sent to an area hospital but refused treatment.

Police tell ONN affiliate WNWO that over the past two years street preachers have shown up to The Feast challenging those in attendance. Sunday, instead of staying in one place, the street preachers dispersed into the crowd and aruguments took place between 300-400 people.

The faithful chased the street preachers out of town says Rev. John Raphael, pastor of The Shrine.

"They show up with video cameras, send threatening faxes, and are there to cause problems," Rev. Raphael tells WNWO. "I instruct my staff and those faithful who show up to ignore them.

"They go to other places and do the same thing. I tell my staff to pray for them."

The Feast of the Assumption vigil still carried on after the brief dispute. This is the 130th year for the pilgrimage to the Our Lady of Consolation Shrine.


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: assumption; biblewonk; catholics; christianpersecution; protestants

1 posted on 08/16/2005 7:25:17 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Anyone have any information on this? Who is this Minister of Annoyance guy?


2 posted on 08/16/2005 7:27:11 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Petronski; fortunecookie

ping


3 posted on 08/16/2005 7:27:46 AM PDT by cyborg (I'm having the best day ever.)
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To: vladimir998

It looks like the persecutions are beginning anew.


4 posted on 08/16/2005 7:28:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: vladimir998

Sounds like a Monty Python group.


5 posted on 08/16/2005 7:39:44 AM PDT by roylene
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To: cyborg

So these 'ministers' of annoyance just started showing up and picking fights with people? How sad. Do people show up at their meetings to annoy them? And do they target groups other than religious groups? I'm glad these folks didn't just take the harassment.


6 posted on 08/16/2005 7:41:26 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: vladimir998
Other reports I read indicated these Ministers of Annoyance are an atheist group.

I'd like to know if there's a Hazel Motes among them, announcing a world where the lame don't walk and the blind don't see and what's dead stays that way.

7 posted on 08/16/2005 9:29:46 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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To: vladimir998
From the Catholic Report: The Ugly Truth Of What Happened To Catholic Pilgrims In Carey, Ohio

Yesterday at the Basilica of Our Lady of Consolation in Carey, Ohio Catholic pilgrims were threatened and treated rudely by a group calling itself the "Ministry or Minister of Annoyance." This group is a radical Evangelical group that believes that all Catholics are going to hell unless they turn away from Catholicism. Yesterday in Carey while thousands of Catholic pilgrims were processing through this tiny town in northwest Ohio, for the Annual "Assumption Eve Procession" the "Ministry or Minister of Annoyance" marched with the pilgrims shouting that Catholic dogma about Mary and just about anything else that Catholics believe is wrong.

The simple message of the "Ministry of Annoyance" group was that unless Catholics turned away from their faith they were going to hell. While this hostile group was shouting several of their members had camcorders in hand ready to film any Catholic who retaliated. One can only wonder what they would do with the film footage.

The Carey police department did make some arrests and the group was chased out of town by the startled pilgrims and the police force. According to some, angry faxes were sent to the Basilica earlier warning Catholics of their damnation.

No major Evangelical leader backs such an angry group but the fact that this did happen and the fact that outside of the Ohio, Michigan and Indiana area no one heard about this incident is troubling. It is also troubling how many people may share the views of the "Ministry of Annoyance" about Catholics and their view of Mary, yet not exhibit the militancy of the "Ministry of Annoyance." It was rather bizarre that what few headlines did appear about the events in Carey on Sunday night stated that some fights broke out at a Catholic event. One might think a few drunken Catholics had a few too many beers at a parish festival from a headline such as that instead of Catholics being verbally assaulted. Had an incident such as this been directed towards African-Americans or Jewish-Americans what would the headlines be?

As mentioned in previous articles, I love the Basilica in Carey. I go there for the Assumption celebrations just about every year. I was thinking about going last night but went today instead. It was probably for the better, had I been there last night I might have done something foolish. I can't begin to tell you how angry some of the Catholic faithful were today. They implored me to write about what had happened. The Assumption Holy Day brings many different ethnic groups to the event in Carey. You would have thought you were in Mexico City, Rome, Krakow or Baghdad from the many people, especially the elderly, speaking Spanish, Italian, Polish or Arabic today.

Today, I almost openly chuckled as I listened in awe to the Mass in Aramaic, the language of Jesus. These Arab Christians have been Christians since the time of Jesus and here comes a group of angry Evangelicals telling them they are going to hell for believing what they do about Mary. Some of these Arab Christians could have had ancestors who met the Apostles, Mary or even Jesus for that matter. Yet a group of crazy people are telling them, your ancestors are wrong and the Assumption celebration you've been celebrating since the first century is also wrong.

The whole episode and the lack of media coverage just seems crazy. Yet the faithful remain defiant. If it were the intention of the the "Ministry of Annoyance" to spread doubt with the assembled Catholic faithful in Carey on Sunday night, they would be annoyed to know that Monday, the day of Assumption Holy Day, revealed a Catholic gathering more steadfast in their faith than when they arrived.

David Hartline

8 posted on 08/16/2005 9:33:28 AM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Between the Lines
"Today, I almost openly chuckled as I listened in awe to the Mass in Aramaic, the language of Jesus. These Arab Christians have been Christians since the time of Jesus and here comes a group of angry Evangelicals telling them they are going to hell for believing what they do about Mary."

News headline for the Protties: Christianity was not invented in Arkanasas in 1890 nor in London in the 1500s. It's ties to Rome are a FACT: the see of St. Peter and the site of the matrydom of St Paul.

9 posted on 08/16/2005 9:46:58 AM PDT by Pio (Vatican II, thy name is Modernism, Madness and Death.)
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To: Between the Lines

Maybe next year the Fourth Degree Knight of Coilumbus will care mace instead of swords ;-).


10 posted on 08/16/2005 10:35:00 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: Pio

Revelation 22:8-10

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"


11 posted on 08/16/2005 10:43:23 AM PDT by gscc
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...
Today, I almost openly chuckled as I listened in awe to the Mass in Aramaic, the language of Jesus. These Arab Christians have been Christians since the time of Jesus and here comes a group of angry Evangelicals telling them they are going to hell for believing what they do about Mary. Some of these Arab Christians could have had ancestors who met the Apostles, Mary or even Jesus for that matter. Yet a group of crazy people are telling them, your ancestors are wrong and the Assumption celebration you've been celebrating since the first century is also wrong.

Catholic ping!

12 posted on 08/16/2005 10:49:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: gscc

Define "worship" and how it relates to the feast of the Assumption.


13 posted on 08/16/2005 10:50:59 AM PDT by conservonator (Real Bible Believing Christians are Catholic)
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To: gscc
Faustus' love of evil-speaking has made him forget his own creed; or perhaps he spoke in his sleep about ghosts, and did not wake up even when he saw his words in writing. It is true that Christians pay religious honor to the memory of the martyrs, both to excite us to imitate them and to obtain a share in their merits, and the assistance of their prayers. But we build altars not to any martyr, but to the God of martyrs, although it is to the memory of the martyrs. No one officiating at the altar in the saints' burying-place ever says, We bring an offering to thee, O Peter! or O Paul! or O Cyprian! The offering is made to God, who gave the crown of martyrdom, while it is in memory of those thus crowned. The emotion is increased by the associations of the place, and. love is excited both towards those who are our examples, and towards Him by whose help we may follow such examples. We regard the martyrs with the same affectionate intimacy that we feel towards holy men of God in this life, when we know that their hearts are prepared to endure the same suffering for the truth of the gospel. There is more devotion in our feeling towards the martyrs, because we know that their conflict is over; and we can speak with greater confidence in praise of those already victors in heaven, than of those still combating here.

What is properly divine worship, which the Greeks call latria, and for which there is no word in Latin, both in doctrine and in practice, we give only to God. To this worship belongs the offering of sacrifices; as we see in the word idolatry, which means the giving of this worship to idols. Accordingly we never offer, or require any one to offer, sacrifice to a martyr, or to a holy soul, or to any angel. Any one falling into this error is instructed by doctrine, either in the way of correction or of caution. For holy beings themselves, whether saints or angels, refuse to accept what they know to be due to God alone. We see this in Paul and Barnabas, when the men of Lycaonia wished to sacrifice to them as gods, on account of the miracles they performed. They rent their clothes, and restrained the people, crying out to them, and persuading them that they were not gods. We see it also in the angels, as we read in the Apocalypse that an angel would not allow himself to be worshipped, and said to his worshipper, "I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethen." Those who claim this worship are proud spirits, the devil and his angels, as we see in all the temples and rites of the Gentiles. Some proud men, too, have copied their example; as is related of some kings of Babylon. Thus the holy Daniel was accused and persecuted, because when the king made a decree that no petition should be made to any god, but only to the king, he was found worshipping and praying to his own God, that is, the one true God. As for those who drink to excess at the feasts of the martyrs, we of course condemn their conduct; for to do so even in their own houses would be contrary to sound doctrine. But we must try to amend what is bad as well as prescribe what is good, and must of necessity bear for a time with some things that are not according to our teaching. The rules of Christian conduct are not to be taken from the indulgences of the intemperate or the infirmities of the weak. Still, even in this, the guilt of intemperance is much less than that of impiety. To sacrifice to the martyrs, even fasting, is worse than to go home intoxicated from their feast: to sacrifice to the martyrs, I say, which is a different thing from sacrificing to God in memory of the martyrs, as we do constantly, in the manner required since the revelation of the New Testament, for this belongs to the worship or latria which is due to God alone. But it is vain to try to make these heretics understand the full meaning of these words of the Psalmist: "He that offereth the sacrifice of praise glorifieth me, and in this way will I show him my salvation." Before the coming of Christ, the flesh and blood of this sacrifice were foreshadowed in the animals slain; in the passion of Christ the types were fulfilled by the true sacrifice; after the ascension of Christ, this sacrifice is commemorated in the sacrament.

St. Augustine, Reply to Faustus the Manichaean, XX, 21.

14 posted on 08/16/2005 11:00:45 AM PDT by gbcdoj (Let us ask the Lord with tears, that according to his will so he would shew his mercy to us Jud 8:17)
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To: Between the Lines
This group is a radical Evangelical group that believes that all Catholics are going to hell unless they turn away from Catholicism.
"We put the protest back in Protestant."
15 posted on 08/16/2005 11:02:06 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: ruoflaw

Do you know who these nutjobs are?


16 posted on 08/16/2005 11:06:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Between the Lines

>>It is also troubling how many people may share the views of the "Ministry of Annoyance" about Catholics and their view of Mary, yet not exhibit the militancy of the "Ministry of Annoyance."<<

Some right here on FR!


17 posted on 08/16/2005 11:15:17 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: roylene

>>Sounds like a Monty Python group<<

The Ministers of Annoyance marched with the Representatives of the Ministry of Silly Walks. ;-)


18 posted on 08/16/2005 11:17:35 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: gbcdoj

This veneration is a fine line that is too often crossed.


19 posted on 08/16/2005 12:20:41 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Pio; RobbyS; netmilsmom; All
Though I posted an article from a Catholic website and posted it to a Catholic thread, I am a Protestant. I am sorry I did not make this clear in my first post, but I think it disruptive to post such things when all I was trying to do was be informative.

My interest in this article was the disruption of a religious event. I believe that a religious event/rite/service/funeral/wedding/etc is the wrong time to try and convert anyone. I don't care if you are Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, wiccan, Druid or whatever, you have the right to worship without outside disruption or agitators.

While I may agree with some of the points of the protesters, I strongly condemn the methodology they embrace. They conducted themselves in a very unchristian and unloving way, that is unacceptable to do to heathens or pagans, much less our Christian brethren.

I beg you to remember that on all sides of any debate there are extremists that do not know where civil discourse ends and persecution begins. Please remember that these extremist individuals are just that, individuals that do not reflect the ideologies of the whole, nor should we judge the whole on the actions of a few.

20 posted on 08/16/2005 12:44:59 PM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: eastsider
"We put the protest back in Protestant."

Best laugh I've had all day.

21 posted on 08/16/2005 12:46:26 PM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: eastsider

The annual event was interuppted after a group, known as the "Minister of Annoyance," told the numerous Catholics in attendance to not believe in God and disown their faith.

Doesnt sound very protestant to me. Are you sure these are evangelicals?


22 posted on 08/16/2005 1:33:54 PM PDT by amosmoses
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To: amosmoses; Between the Lines
Please don't read too much into my outburst. I was responding to David Hartline's article in the Catholic Report posted by Between the Lines in #8, not the main article at the head of the thread. IMO, people on either side of the Christian divide, be they Catholics or Protestants, who state that others are going to hell for their beliefs have moved from objective discernment -- a good thing -- to subjective judgment -- a bad thing.

Anyway, to answer your question, no, I'm not sure they're evangelicals, and yes, I agree that it doesn't sound very Christian.

23 posted on 08/16/2005 2:19:12 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Between the Lines

>>Though I posted an article from a Catholic website and posted it to a Catholic thread, I am a Protestant. I am sorry I did not make this clear in my first post, but I think it disruptive to post such things when all I was trying to do was be informative.<

Please define "such things".


24 posted on 08/16/2005 4:05:45 PM PDT by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: RobbyS
Maybe next year the Fourth Degree Knight of Coilumbus will care mace instead of swords ;-).

Last night at our Shrine to the Blessed Mother when it came time for Father to Elevate the Host it was neat to see the Knights with their swords at attention to Protect Our Lord. We have Caldeans, Italians, Polish, Germans, and even some of our Orthodox friends come to honor the Blessed Mother in our little Shrine in Detroit every August 15th. All these fools do is strenghten the Faith. Frankly, it doesn't sound like Evangelicals, more like radical Pentecostals of the C. Peter Wagner type - they've been known to do this sort of thing in So. Ameica. This must be a radical off shoot as most of the Evangelicals around here are pretty friendly.

25 posted on 08/16/2005 4:21:45 PM PDT by Diva
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To: Salvation; NYer; saradippity; Pyro7480; Desdemona; american colleen; GipperGal; sandyeggo; ...
Persecutions have begun. But do we roll over and die or do we fight. I say if they "diss" our Blessed Mother and mock our Holy Faith, then their faces are gonna mop gravel before I'm going down.

BANSHEE ALERT!

26 posted on 08/16/2005 4:31:16 PM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: vladimir998
Even though I have come to believe that alot of this stuff is "made up" and kind of silly, even I am not so obnoxious as to leave a bunch of folks alone who are merely expressing their faith.

These guys are morons and give the rest of us skeptics a bad name.

27 posted on 08/16/2005 4:33:59 PM PDT by Clemenza (Pirro is Hillary with an (R))
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To: Pio

OK, but how do you explain Papal infallability? Sainthood? The elevation of Mary to quasi-divine status?


28 posted on 08/16/2005 4:35:05 PM PDT by Clemenza (Pirro is Hillary with an (R))
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To: Siobhan
Persecutions are ongoing and sometimes most brutal among family and friends.

(See my profile for my current crusade.)

29 posted on 08/16/2005 5:05:30 PM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Desdemona
The way things are going I'm going to wear a chainmaille mantilla and exchange my handbag for a shellaillagh.

(Are you handing out veils to young women at Mass yet? Fight the good fight. All of your Catholic sisters on FR should read your excellent profile.)

30 posted on 08/16/2005 5:38:44 PM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: Clemenza

Uh, you might want to look here.

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZINDEX.HTM

Scroll down until you see a bunch of colored boxes. Start there.


31 posted on 08/16/2005 5:54:53 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: eastsider
""We put the protest back in Protestant."

They put the fundament back in fundamentalism

32 posted on 08/16/2005 6:02:44 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Diva

"The Gangs of New York", a film from a couple of years ago, gave only a glimpse of the hostility of the Nativists to the Church. Bishop John Hughes was shown at the entrace to a new church (St. Patrick's?), which was being prtected by the Irish. Says a lot that the screen play didn't portray Msgr. Hughes, since he was the defacto leader of the Irish in New York. He was one who helped end the Draft riots, because he was one of the few that the Irish would listen to. THAT doesn't make it into the movie.


33 posted on 08/16/2005 9:11:28 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: vladimir998
Anyone have any information on this? Who is this Minister of Annoyance guy?

I don't, but it would appear that the name it is an accurate description.

34 posted on 08/16/2005 10:57:20 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: roylene
Sounds like a Monty Python group.

Which gives us a clue on how to take care of them.

35 posted on 08/16/2005 11:15:11 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: Desdemona; Siobhan
Hats required

So, does the veil go over or under the hat?

36 posted on 08/16/2005 11:17:56 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus

Like the knight with a mere "flesh wound"? LOL


37 posted on 08/17/2005 1:30:31 AM PDT by SaintDismas (Jest becuz you put yer boots in the oven, don't make it bread)
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To: Siobhan
Are you handing out veils to young women at Mass yet?

Not yet, but I have a plan. There are a number of us at my parish who are starting to come with heads covered and even more who are wearing tasteful long skirts and blouses.

Fight the good fight. All of your Catholic sisters on FR should read your excellent profile.

I agree. It's an article I found on the internet. One of many on the topic.

38 posted on 08/17/2005 5:06:46 AM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Clemenza
OK, but how do you explain Papal infallability?

You question the man (and his successors) to whom Jesus gave the Keys to Heaven? Read the Bible Matthew 16 and beyond.

Saints are exemplary Christians worthy of fondness, devotion, study, reverence .... like our favorite uncles who we esteem very highly.

No Protestants are Saints and nor will they be.

Nobody raises Mary to quasi divine status...but she sure was the first Christian, 100% human but full of grace, she was blessed as was the fruit of her womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for sinners, now and at the our of hour death....we need it!

39 posted on 08/17/2005 10:41:32 AM PDT by Pio (Vatican II, thy name is Modernism, Madness and Death.)
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To: vladimir998
Just read about the Cadaver Trial : "Pope Formosus's Corpse Found Guilty" - does one of your colored boxes put this in context with Papal infallibility?
40 posted on 08/17/2005 11:26:09 AM PDT by gscc
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