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To: stuartcr

Truth should be something that actually happened, which in this case, it has not. There were no incidents of Christians going out beating up Jews.

In fact, in the movie, it is pretty obvious that it was both the politics of the Romans and the politics of the Jewish leaders that combined to end in the death of Jesus. If you have ever done the Stations of the Cross (don't know if you're Catholic or not), you'll know that they usually depict with Romans soldiers flogging Jesus, standing by the side and watching him fall, etc.

Mel Gibson's movie found both good Jews and good Romans, however, who objected to this being done to an innocent man; and the same is true in the Stations. Veronica, who comes forward to wipe the face of Jesus, is a Jew, moved to pity by this torture. Simon of Cyrene is a Jew, forced to carry the Cross by the Romans.

Hence, the liberals are not telling the truth, and there is no question about it. But for them, truth is what they say it is and what serves their ideology, objective reality be damned.


38 posted on 08/25/2005 1:01:52 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

If anyone really knew anything about history, the persecution of the Jews started with the Pharisies and Jews descriminating and punishing the "Jew Christians" as they were called and were later totally Excommunicated from all of Jewish life, as they at that time still worshipped in temples and the like.

St Stephen in 43AD being murdered at the hands of the Jews, Paul the Apostle was arrested in Jereselum by the Jews, turned over to the Romans who later executed him in Rome, and then the final break came when the Romans burnt and destroyed the Temple in 70AD, the Phrasies excommunicated all "Jew Christians" from being and living out the life of a Jew, and all "heretics" and a curse was prayed at the begining of every synagogue service on these "Jew Christians" from that point on.

That was when the "Jew Christians" realized they needed to start their own church, as up to that period that was never the real intention.

So , not to ever condone violence or hatred, this anti-semitic behavior is due to the actions of the Jews of the 1 through 3rd centuries who took pride in pointing out to the Romans where these "Christians" were so they could be turned over and killed.


40 posted on 08/25/2005 1:47:36 PM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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To: livius

If Pontius Pilate, A Roman could find no cause or reason to kill this innocent man, and "wiped his hands clean" of this mans blood, yes, Jesus was meant to die for all of mankinds sins, but it was his own who betrayed him (Was Judas not a Jew, and was it not the Phrasies (Jewish high priests) who paid Judas silver for turning him over? Rome was just the instrument for these high priests to get Jesus out of the way as they were rich and had the power and did not want it disrupted by anyone, and he was not their idea of what a "messiah" was to be.

Lets all get real and not try to be PC, the Bible is the Bible and you cant change history. I think by the Jewish people to continue to deny ANY involvement in the death of Our Lord just makes others get upset and angry


42 posted on 08/25/2005 1:54:06 PM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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