Posted on 09/17/2005 6:24:38 AM PDT by NYer
Brilliant post! Amen!
Another excellent post. Where's my application to join the TTGC?
"As you know, he left it (the sweet key of obedience) in the hands of his vicar, Christ on earth, whom you all are obliged to obey even to the point of death. Whoever refuses to obey him is, as I have told you elsewhere, living in damnation (D 154)."
S. Augustinus, Sermo cclxvii., n. 4 As long as it was in the body, it lived; separated, it forfeits its life. So the Christian is a Catholic as long as he lives in the body: cut off from it he becomes a heretic-the life of the spirit follows not the amputated member"
S. Cyprianus, De Cath. Eccl. Unitate,Whosoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress. He has cut himself off from the promises of the Church, and he who leaves the Church of Christ cannot arrive at the rewards of Christ....He who observes not this unity observes not the law of God, holds not the faith of the Father and the Son, clings not to life and salvation"
S. Augustinus, Contra Epistolam Parmeniani, lib. ii., cap. ii., n. 25 There is nothing more grievous than the sacrilege of schism....there can be no just necessity for destroying the unity of the Church"
Pope St. Pius X: Allocution of May 10, 1909 "Do not allow yourselves to be deceived by the cunning statements of those who persistently claim to wish to be with the Church, to love the Church, to fight so that people do not leave Her...But judge them by their works. If they despise the shepherds of the Church and even the Pope, if they attempt all means of evading their authority in order to elude their directives and judgments..., then about which Church do these men mean to speak? Certainly not about that established on the foundations of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone
Vatican 1:
"Wherefore we teach and declare that, by divine ordinance, the Roman church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the church throughout the world." (Session 4, Chapter 3, n 2)
Can. 209 §1 Christ's faithful are bound to preserve their communion with the Church at all times, even in their external actions.
Humani Generis
Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me" (Luke 10:16); and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine.
SAPIENTIAE CHRISTIANAE....ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
It happens far otherwise with Christians; they receive their rule of faith from the Church, by whose authority and under whose guidance they are conscious that they have beyond question attained to truth. Consequently, as the Church is one, because Jesus Christ is one, so throughout the whole Christian world there is, and ought to be, but one doctrine: "One Lord, one faith;"(22) "but having the same spirit of faith,"(23) they possess the saving principle whence proceed spontaneously one and the same will in all, and one and the same tenor of action.
22. Now, as the Apostle Paul urges, this unanimity ought to be perfect. Christian faith reposes not on human but on divine authority, for what God has revealed "we believe not on account of the intrinsic evidence of the truth perceived by the natural light of our reason, but on account of the authority of God revealing, who cannot be deceived nor Himself deceive."(24) It follows as a consequence that whatever things are manifestly revealed by God we must receive with a similar and equal assent. To refuse to believe any one of them is equivalent to rejecting them all, for those at once destroy the very groundwork of faith who deny that God has spoken to men, or who bring into doubt His infinite truth and wisdom. To determine, however, which are the doctrines divinely revealed belongs to the teaching Church, to whom God has entrusted the safekeeping and interpretation of His utterances. But the supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself. This obedience should, however, be perfect, because it is enjoined by faith itself, and has this in common with faith, that it cannot be given in shreds; nay, were it not absolute and perfect in every particular, it might wear the name of obedience, but its essence would disappear. Christian usage attaches such value to this perfection of obedience that it has been, and will ever be, accounted the distinguishing mark by which we are able to recognize Catholics. Admirably does the following passage from St. Thomas Aquinas set before us the right view: "The formal object of faith is primary truth, as it is shown forth in the holy Scriptures, and in the teaching of the Church, which proceeds from the fountainhead of truth. It follows, therefore, that he who does not adhere, as to an infallible divine rule, to the teaching of the Church, which proceeds from the primary truth manifested in the holy Scriptures, possesses not the habit of faith; but matters of faith he holds otherwise than true faith. Now, it is evident that he who clings to the doctrines of the Church as to an infallible rule yields his assent to everything the Church teaches; but otherwise, if with reference to what the Church teaches he holds what he likes but does not hold what he does not like, he adheres not to the teaching of the Church as to an infallible rule, but to his own will."
23. "The faith of the whole Church should be one, according to the precept (1 Cor. 1:10): "Let all speak the same thing, and let there be no schisms among you"; and this cannot be observed save on condition that questions which arise touching faith should be determined by him who presides over the whole Church, whose sentence must consequently be accepted without wavering. And hence to the sole authority of the supreme Pontiff does it pertain to publish a new revision of the symbol, as also to decree all other matters that concern the universal Church."
In defining the limits of the obedience owed to the pastors of souls, but most of all to the authority of the Roman Pontiff, it must not be supposed that it is only to be yielded in relation to dogmas of which the obstinate denial cannot be disjoined from the crime of heresy. Nay, further, it is not enough sincerely and firmly to assent to doctrines which, though not defined by any solemn pronouncement of the Church, are by her proposed to belief, as divinely revealed, in her common and universal teaching, and which the Vatican Council declared are to be believed "with Catholic and divine faith." But this likewise must be reckoned amongst the duties of Christians, that they allow themselves to be ruled and directed by the authority and leadership of bishops, and, above all, of the apostolic see. And how fitting it is that this should be so any one can easily perceive. For the things contained in the divine oracles have reference to God in part, and in part to man, and to whatever is necessary for the attainment of his eternal salvation. Now, both these, that is to say, what we are bound to believe and what we are obliged to do, are laid down, as we have stated, by the Church using her divine right, and in the Church by the supreme Pontiff. Wherefore it belongs to the Pope to judge authoritatively what things the sacred oracles contain, as well as what doctrines are in harmony, and what in disagreement, with them; and also, for the same reason, to show forth what things are to be accepted as right, and what to be rejected as worthless; what it is necessary to do and what to avoid doing, in order to attain eternal salvation. For, otherwise, there would be no sure interpreter of the commands of God, nor would there be any safe guide showing man the way he should live.
Consistory Allocution of 2 June 1944, "The mandate Confided to Peter" Pope Pius XII:
Mother Church, Catholic, Roman, which has remained faithful to the constitution received from her divine Founder, which still stands firm today on the solidity of the rock on which His will erected her, possesses in the primacy of Peter and of his legitimate successors, the assurance, guaranteed by the divine promises, of keeping and transmitting inviolate and in all its integrity through the centuries and millennia to the very end of time the entire sum of truth and grace contained in the redemptive mission of Christ.
St. Pius X...Iucunda Sane: .... Never throughout the course of ages has supernatural power been lacking in the Church; never have the promises of Christ failed. They remain as powerful today as they were when they filled the heart of Gregory with consolation. Rather, having withstood the test of time and the change of circumstances and events, they possess even greater assurance...
Council of Constance
....SESSION 5 - 6 April 1415 .... In the name of the holy and undivided Trinity, Father and Son and holy Spirit. Amen. This holy synod of Constance, which is a general council, for the eradication of the present schism and for bringing unity and reform to God's church in head and members, legitimately assembled in the holy Spirit to the praise of almighty God, ordains, defines, decrees, discerns and declares as follows, in order that this union and reform of God's church may be obtained the more easily, securely, fruitfully and freely.
First it declares that, legitimately assembled in the holy Spirit, constituting a general council and representing the catholic church militant, it has power immediately from Christ; and that everyone of whatever state or dignity, even papal, is bound to obey it in those matters which pertain to the faith, the eradication of the said schism and the general reform of the said church of God in head and members.
Next, it declares that anyone of whatever condition, state or dignity, even papal, who contumaciously refuses to obey the past or future mandates, statutes, ordinances or precepts of this sacred council or of any other legitimately assembled general council, regarding the aforesaid things or matters pertaining to them, shall be subjected to well-deserved penance, unless he repents, and shall be duly punished, even by having recourse, if necessary, to other supports of the law.
Council of Trent ... 'No bishop is permitted under any pretext or privilege whatsoever to exercise episcopal functions in the diocese of another bishop, without the permission of the Ordinary of the place and with regard to persons subordinate to the same Ordinary. If any bishop does otherwise, he will be lawfully suspended from his episcopal functions . . .'
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, Quanta Cura .. 1) "We cannot pass over in silence the audacity of those who, not enduring sound doctrine, contend that 'without sin and without any sacrifice of the Catholic profession assent and obedience may be refused to those judgments and decrees of the Apostolic See, whose object is declared to concern the Church's general good and her rights and discipline, so only it does not touch the dogmata of faith and morals.' But no one can be found not clearly and distinctly to see and understand how grievously this is opposed to the Catholic dogma of the full power given from God by Christ our Lord Himself to the Roman Pontiff of feeding, ruling and guiding the Universal Church."
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans
... CHAPTER VIII.--LET NOTHING BE DONE WITHOUT THE BISHOP.
See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
CHAPTER IX.--HONOUR THE BISHOP.
Moreover, it is in accordance with reason that we should return to soberness [of conduct], and, while yet we have opportunity, exercise repentance towards God. It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil.
FIRST VATICAN COUNCIL (1869-1870)
Session 4 : 18 July 1870
First dogmatic constitution on the Church of Christ
Pius, bishop, servant of the servants of God, with the approval of the Sacred Council, for an everlasting record.
1. The eternal shepherd and guardian of our souls in order to render permanent the saving work of redemption, determined to build a Church in which, as in the house of the living God, all the faithful should be linked by the bond of one faith and charity.
2. Therefore, before he was glorified, he besought his Father, not for the apostles only, but also for those who were to believe in him through their word, that they all might be one as the Son himself and the Father are one [38].
3. So then, just as he sent apostles, whom he chose out of the world [39], even as he had been sent by the Father [40], in like manner it was his will that in his Church there should be shepherds and teachers until the end of time.
4. In order, then, that the episcopal office should be one and undivided and that, by the union of the clergy, the whole multitude of believers should be held together in the unity of faith and communion, he set blessed Peter over the rest of the apostles and instituted in him the permanent principle of both unities and their visible foundation.
5. Upon the strength of this foundation was to be built the eternal temple, and the Church whose topmost part reaches heaven was to rise upon the firmness of this foundation [41].
6. And since the gates of hell trying, if they can, to overthrow the Church, make their assault with a hatred that increases day by day against its divinely laid foundation, we judge it necessary, with the approbation of the Sacred Council, and for the protection, defense and growth of the Catholic flock, to propound the doctrine concerning the 1. institution, 2. permanence and 3. nature of the sacred and apostolic primacy, upon which the strength and coherence of the whole Church depends.
7. This doctrine is to be believed and held by all the faithful in accordance with the ancient and unchanging faith of the whole Church.
8. Furthermore, we shall proscribe and condemn the contrary errors which are so harmful to the Lord's flock.
Chapter 1
On the institution of the apostolic primacy in blessed Peter
1. We teach and declare that, according to the gospel evidence, a primacy of jurisdiction over the whole Church of God was immediately and directly promised to the blessed apostle Peter and conferred on him by Christ the lord.
2. It was to Simon alone, to whom he had already said You shall be called Cephas [42], that the Lord, after his confession, You are the Christ, the son of the living God, spoke these words:
Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven [43] .
3. And it was to Peter alone that Jesus, after his resurrection, confided the jurisdiction of Supreme Pastor and ruler of his whole fold, saying: Feed my lambs, feed my sheep [44].
4. To this absolutely manifest teaching of the Sacred Scriptures, as it has always been understood by the Catholic Church, are clearly opposed the distorted opinions of those who misrepresent the form of government which Christ the lord established in his Church and deny that Peter, in preference to the rest of the apostles, taken singly or collectively, was endowed by Christ with a true and proper primacy of jurisdiction.
5. The same may be said of those who assert that this primacy was not conferred immediately and directly on blessed Peter himself, but rather on the Church, and that it was through the Church that it was transmitted to him in his capacity as her minister.
6. Therefore, if anyone says that blessed Peter the apostle was not appointed by Christ the lord as prince of all the apostles and visible head of the whole Church militant; or that it was a primacy of honor only and not one of true and proper jurisdiction that he directly and immediately received from our lord Jesus Christ himself: let him be anathema.
Chapter 2.
On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs
1. That which our lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the Church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the Church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time [45].
2. For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the savior and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the Holy Roman See, which he founded and consecrated with his blood
[46]. 3. Therefore whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole Church. So what the truth has ordained stands firm, and blessed Peter perseveres in the rock-like strength he was granted, and does not abandon that guidance of the Church which he once received
[47]. 4. For this reason it has always been necessary for every Church--that is to say the faithful throughout the world--to be in agreement with the Roman Church because of its more effective leadership. In consequence of being joined, as members to head, with that see, from which the rights of sacred communion flow to all, they will grow together into the structure of a single body [48]. 5. Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.
Chapter 3.
On the power and character of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff
1. And so, supported by the clear witness of Holy Scripture, and adhering to the manifest and explicit decrees both of our predecessors the Roman Pontiffs and of general councils, we promulgate anew the definition of the ecumenical Council of Florence [49], which must be believed by all faithful Christians, namely that the Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff hold a world-wide primacy, and that the Roman Pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter, the prince of the apostles, true vicar of Christ, head of the whole Church and father and teacher of all Christian people.
To him, in blessed Peter, full power has been given by our lord Jesus Christ to tend, rule and govern the universal Church.
All this is to be found in the acts of the ecumenical councils and the sacred canons.
2. Wherefore we teach and declare that, by divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other Church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman Pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the Church throughout the world.
3. In this way, by unity with the Roman Pontiff in communion and in profession of the same faith , the Church of Christ becomes one flock under one Supreme Shepherd [50]. 4. This is the teaching of the Catholic truth, and no one can depart from it without endangering his faith and salvation.
Pope St. Pius X ...."Do not allow yourselves to be deceived by the cunning statements of those who persistently claim to wish to be with the Church, to love the Church, to fight so that people do not leave Her... But judge them by their works. If they despise the shepherds of the Church and even the Pope, if they attempt all means of evading their authority in order to elude their directives and judgments..., then about which Church do these men mean to speak? Certainly not about that established on the foundations of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone." (Eph. 2:20)
* I could post more. I may if the Satanic Society of Perfidious Xanthippes (SSPX) continues to try and destroy the truth and lie about Tradition, all of which is opposed to their insane, hateful and evil propagnada.
Jesus told Saul he was attacking Jesus Himself by attacking the Church.
That is all you have done since trying to convince us you were trying to join the church. You have yet to say one thing positive about the church you suppoedly desired to join. You have defended the schism.
You ain't fooling anyone. Real Catholics pegged you early while those who support the SSPX are defending you.
You ain't fooling anyone :) Those in union with the Pope have you pegged and those in opposition to the Pope have embraced you.
You already asked that question on this thread. It has been answered. I just posted MANY Doctrines the sspx is hertical about
Can it truly be said that the Jewish race is guilty of the sin of deicide, and that it is consequently cursed by God, as depicted in Gibson’s movie on the Passion?
It is indeed very sad that the post-Conciliar Church has forgotten the elementary distinction described by Father Fahey, namely between opposition to Jewish Naturalism and hostility to the race. The door was opened to this, and to the subsequent acceptation of Judaism as a legitimate religion in the Vatican II Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions, Nostra Aetate. After correctly pointing out that the Jewish authorities pressed for the death of Christ, and that neither all Jews at that time, nor today "can be charged with the crimes committed during his Passion," it then continues with the outrageous statement, so contrary to Sacred Scripture, that "the Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or accursed as if this followed from holy Scripture." (§4) It is consequently considered that since the Church reproves every form of persecution, then we must respect their false national religion, regardless of the fact that its very existence is the sign of the curse of the national naturalism that has fallen upon them.
* THe SSPX answers "yes" to the question they posed/ This antisemitic heresy is only one of MANY heresies promoted by the sspx
So you reject the Word of Christ when He states that the gates of hell will not prevail aainst Holy Mother Church? Pity, that.
You make fun,but yes,Faith tells us,they would never had said anything other then what they were Ordained to say-even Padre Pio- was "asked" to say the New service...He refused !
The Mass is said on an altar..not a table
The True Mass never changes form parish to parish throughout the entire universw it will forever remani the SAME....not so with the New service everywhere different as if it is forgotten the word"Universal".
So Yes, I say confidently, they would not say such a service if they lived today..nor would Pope St. Pius X who condemded all modernism. Ten thousand Traditionalists are standing firm for a reason...they hold to the Faith of the Old Way..never changing..not inviting Moderism..not tossing out the confessional or the crucifixes or the rosary,or the beauty of the altar ect...Pope Benedict XVI knows..he saw what is was and what it is now...Tell me how long does your priest spend in the confessional...can he out do St. John Vianney who knew the importance of the immmortal soul!
The CPA Bishops are diocesean Bishops. Given that the Catholic Church sends seminarians to them to be trained and ordained in certain circumstances, they have at least a de facto jurisdiction in the Catholic dioceses they occupy wihout Papal mandate.
The SSPX Bishops are a totally anti-traditional bunch of Bishops at large with no diocese, against all the Holy Canons.
I can't understand how ou can fail to see the difference between a Bishop consecrated for a diocese without a papal mandate but who otherwise act within the Canons, and a Bishop consecrated as a Bishop at large without a papal mandate who ignore all the Canons. The first case is an attack on the authority of the Holy See. The second is an implicit denial of the diocesean nature of the Episcopate and Catholic Church.
June 2003 Volume XXVI, Number 6
Mr. John Sharpe
...If it is true that history repeats itself, we may be witnessing a kind of sequel to de Poncins's Judaism and the Vatican. All of this ground was covered 40 years ago in the run-up to the Vatican's Declaration on the Relation of the Church to non-Christian Religions.36 The history of the machinations which took place relative to Nostra Aetate is related in Chapters 3, 13, and 15 of de Poncins's book. Jules Isaac (who maintained in his 1948 work Jesus and Israel thai St. Matthew's account of the Passion is "tendentious" and "not based on solid historical foundations"37), along with B'nai B'rith and the American Jewish Conference, played a large part in pressuring Vatican officials to reconsider the Church's relationship with the Jews in the period before and during the Second Vatican Council. Count de Poncins summarizes the events:
The whole affair had been hatched in semi-secrecy and with supreme skill by Cardinal Bea, Jules Isaac, and a small group of progressives and Jewish leaders, whose antagonism to traditional Christianity was veiled under appearances of Christian charity, ecumenical unity and common biblical relationship (emphasis mine).38
*Well, there you have it. Accrd to the SSPX, "Tradition" teaches the Decisions taken in an Ecumenical Council are the results of a Conspiracy by Jews (sspx "we aren't antsemitic"..wink, wink...
So, who is Mr. Sharpe the sspx calls upon to teach its followers Vatican Two was captured by a Jewish Conspiracy?
June 2003 issue of The Angelus, Sharpe wrote, “… let us not fear the epithet anti-Semite. … the Christian anti-Semite has for his dream the restoration of that state which had its foundations in theological principles. If such is the case (as both history and logic prove, even to this very day) may we all then have the courage to respond with the words of Fr. Fahey: In that sense, every sane thinker must be an anti-Semite.”
In Islam vs. the West: Is This Another Crusade? . Mr. Sharpe "teaches" us the 911 attack can be blamed on....guess who (it rhymes with "who")..
Don't cha know the Mossad and the US Gov't conspired to plan 911?
Again, Sharpe..."The Jews are even less subtle, if it can be imagined. In the October 10, 2001, Jerusalem Post Internet Edition ("Israel vs bin Laden in information war" by Herb Keinon), forwarded to us by one of the Zundelsite’s Z-Grams...Yes, Mr. Sharpe considers as reliable Zgrams from an Ernst Zundel site. Zubdel is a rabid antisemite who denies the holocaust. Zundel is praised by the sspx "bishop" Williamson. Sharpe uses his site as a credible source.
Sharpe again... "in that the Islamic world represents a fairly coherent opposition to the JWO (sorry…rather, the NWO)..."Your antisemitric slip is showing, Sharpe.Jewish World Order rather than New World Order. Funny, huh?
More sharpe..." Part IV, next month, will try to pull together what is known about the "official story" and why it doesn’t wash. It will also consider just what role this "greater Judaism" may have had in 9-11, particularly in light of the ideological gains which it continues to reap in the name of pluralism and tolerance.
* Well, then. That settles it. The Jews are responsisble for the "heresies" of Vatican Two and they are the secret power behind the attacks on the WTC.
Non dare call this antisemitism...
It was an act of disobedience, not heresy. So answer the question, what heresy is the SSPX "involved in"?
In other words, if the sspx gives you an annulment and Williamson marries you to Ernst Zundel and you go to Confession after painting a swastika on a Synagogue, your Confession will be invalid.
A very good description of the Chinese Patriotic Association is found in Father Paul Kramer's The Devil's Final Battle:In September of 2000 we encounter yet another dramatic example of the Church's Adaptation [to the world]. From September 12-19, 2000, Roger Cardinal Etchegary was in Red China to attend a "Symposium on Religions and Peace." While there he celebrated Mass in the presence of the schismatic bishops of the Chinese Patriotic Association (CPA). The Mass was celebrated in the Shrine of Our Lady Help of Christians, which the Red Chinese regime has stolen from the true Catholic Church in China.
The CPA was formed in the 1950s to replace the Catholic Church after "Chairman Mao" declared the Catholic Church "illegal" in Red China. The CPA is thus a human organization created by a Communist government and set up a "church" which Chinese Catholics must join, forsaking the Roman Catholic Church, whose very existence has been declared "illegal" by the Red Chinese regime. The CPA constitution explicitly rejects submission to the Pope and declares the CPA to be autonomous from Rome. The CPA bishops and priests, therefore, are all schismatics by definition.
Over 100 bishops have been consecrated illicitly by the CPA without a papal mandate, in direct violation of the Code of Canon Law; worse still, those illicitly consecrated bishops publicly declared their primary allegiance to the Communist regime of China while disavowing (in the CPA Constitution) any allegiance or submission to the Pope. As a result, these illicit bishops and those who consecrated them, would be excommunicated latae sententiae (automatically), even if they were members of the Catholic Church, which they are not. In 1994 the CPA bishops issued a so-called pastoral letter in which they endorsed China's population control policy, which includes forced abortions on all women who have one child already, calling upon Chinese Catholics to support this abomination.
In short, the CPA is a Communist-created, Communist-controlled, blatantly schismatic, blatantly heretical, pro-abortion organization., created by the devil himself, acting through Mao Tse-tung and his successor "President" Jiang. And yet the Vatican has declared no schism, nor any excommunication of these Communist-controlled, pro-abortion clergy. Instead, Cardinal Etchegary went to China and celebrated Mass in the presence of CPA bishops in a Marian Shrine which the CPA, with the aid of Communist goons, stole from the Catholic Church and the Catholic faithful. Cardinal Etchegary even stated that he "recognized the fidelity to the Pope of the Catholics in the official Church [i.e., the CPA]." Fidelity to the Pope on the part of the bishops who endorse forced abortion and whose Communist-controlled association rejects the papal primacy in its very constitution? What sort of nonsense is this?
While Cardinal Etchegary was in China, an 82 year-old Catholic priest in the "underground" Catholic Church was beaten into a coma and jailed by "security" police. In accordance with Ostpolitik, the Vatican has issued no protest over the nearly fatal beating of this priest, nor any protest over the arrest, imprisonment and torture of loyal Catholic priests, bishops and laity by the Red Chinese regime. The Vatican apparatus is still chained to the Church's new orientation--"dialogue" with the Church's enemies and silence even in the face of blatant torture and persecution of faithful Catholics. This is the fruit of the new orientation's abandonment of righteous opposition to evil. And this policy of Adaptation of the Church will, in the long run, have the intended effect on millions more., who will apostatize and lose their faith, because the Vatican apparatus will no longer stand up and oppose evil with the righteous anger of old.
Here too we see the disparity of treatment between traditional Catholics who in any way present an obstacle to the new orientation, and those who embrace the new orientation wholly and entirely. In contrast with the Vatican's pandering to the CPA, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was publicly pronounced both excommunicated and schismatic in a motu proprio prepared for the Pope's signature within 48 hours of Archbishop Lefebvre's consecration of four bishops without a papal mandate--an action the Archbishop took in an effort (however misguided some may think it to be) to maintain Catholic tradition in a Church gone mad.
The Red Chinese procure (through former Catholic bishops) the consecration of 100 bishops without a papal mandate for their pro-abortion "church" and the Vatican takes no punitive action. Quite the contrary, it sends a Cardinal (no less) as a representative to hobnob with some of the illicit bishops! Yet, when Archbishop Lefebvre consecrates four bishops to serve Catholic Tradition, he is immediately cast into outer darkness by the same Vatican apparatus, even though Archbishop Lefebvre and the four newly consecrated bishops consistently professed their loyalty to the Pope whom they are attempt to serve by preserving traditional Catholic practice and belief. Why this striking disparity of treatment? The answer once again, is that Archbishop Lefebvre resisted the Adaptation; the Red Chinese bishops, on the other hand, exemplify it.
But it is even worse than this. According to an Open Letter of protest to Cardinal Sodano and other members of the Vatican apparatus, published by the Cardinal Kung Foundation, priests of the CPA--a schismatic, Communist-controlled, pro-abortion "church"--have been given canonical missions and priestly faculties in American dioceses. Thus, these Communist priests celebrate Mass and hear confessions of Roman Catholic faithful in their local parishes where these agents of a Communist government learn the secret sins of innumerable Americans which may provide material for blackmail to the Communist masters in China. This was formed by Archbishop Levada of San Francisco, who claims that the Vatican--and no doubt Cardinal Sodano was involved in the decision--has authorized the granting of an "apostolic mission" to these priests of the pro-abortion, Communist-controlled, schismatic CPA.
Here is a literal, visible penetration of Communist power into the body of the Church. There could not be a more dramatic demonstration of the Adaptation. But the presence of these Communist-controlled priests in American parishes is only an icon of the whole process that began in Metz, France, back in 1962, when the drawbridge of the Church was let down and the forces of the world, the Church's sworn enemies, began to march into the Church, leading even Pope Paul VI to speak of the invasion of the Church by worldly thinking.
You see, a lot of what goes on in the "average" parish was not mandated even by the hijacked "reforms" that followed the council and certainly not by the Council. The council did not mandate vernacular Mass--but authorized bishops to decide how much vernacular to permit and bishops then went whole hog, a possibility the council fathers laughed at because they could not imagine it happening. The freestanding altar was not mandated by the council and was not even required by post-council reforms. The kiss of peace shared among congregants, even among altar servers, remains optional in the Novus Ordo even though a lot of parishes have (wrongly) made it a centerpiece of their Sunday worship. I could go on and on. Much of what you rail against was the result of false, dishonest "implementation" of the council. Your quarrel is not with Vatican II but with what happened afterward. You are guilty of post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy: you wrongly claim that if Z happened after A, then it must have happened because of of A. But since more than "A" happened before "Z" happened, the cause of "Z" could be "B" or "Y" or "G." What you blame on Vatican II is in fact the result of perfidy by post-Vatican II leaders. Ratzinger pointed this out in 1985 and slowly things are being turned around--which is the clear prove that this Church, led by Pau VI and John Paul II and now Benedict XVI is the true Church of Christ and has not fallen into apostasy. But you will not face up to this honestly--you would rather abandon the Church in schism than admit that you misjudged the scope and cause of the very bad things that happened after Vatican II.
I could understand your position if it were 1975 right now. I still would have told you then not to blame it on Vatican II but I could understand why you mistakenly did so then. But after 1985, after 1988 after 1993 after 2005, there is no excuse for not recognizing that Christ continues to guide his church through Benedict XVI and that the perfidious "reforms" of the liturgy (all matters of discipline, not doctrine--the Church's leader can and do err in matters of discipline, even popes--and they did do so after Vatican II--I believe it was an error of discipline for Paul VI to have approved, despite warnings, the Novus Ordo--but that is a matter of discipline, not of doctrine and Paul VI did not err in any way whatsoever in doctrine, nor did Vatican II) are being corrected.
You refuse to admit this because it would require humbly admitting your leaders (perhaps you yourself--if you were around in 1975) misjudged what was happening in 1975. I could understand why they did so then, though faith in the claims the Catholic Church makes about herself and the Successor of Peter should have kept them from falling into that error even in 1975. But to persist in that error of judgment about Vatican II and the often false "reforms" that followed it, to persist in that error in 2005 will lead you straight out of the Church of Christ into falsehood, error and Protestantism. The things you wrote in the post to which I am replying are word-for-word the error of the "primitivist" Protestants who insisted that they held on to the "ancient" true church against the recent modernist errors of the Pope at Rome. I grew up with this "primitivism."
Before God I urge you to reconsider. You have become a Protestant in your thinking. In this path lies destruction for you and all you hold dear.
The same rationalizations by James Baradai produced the Jacobite schism in Syria and Egypt in the mid-6th century, with the concsecration of multiple Bishops-at-large to "preserve tradition" against "undue Roman influence", "modern (i.e. Chalcedonian) theology", etc.
Given by His Holiness St. Pius X September 1, 1910. To be sworn to by all clergy, pastors, confessors, preachers, religious superiors, and professors in philosophical-theological seminaries.
I . . . . firmly embrace and accept each and every definition that has been set forth and declared by the unerring teaching authority of the Church...
*SSPX specifically and repeatedly engages in heresy in rejecting Papal Encyclicals and Ecumenical Documents
And the errors of Luther condemned by Pope Leo X in 1520
28. 28. If the pope with a great part of the Church thought so and so, he would not err; still it is not a sin or heresy to think the contrary, especially in a matter not necessary for salvation, until one alternative is condemned and another approved by a general Council. 29. A way has been made for us for weakening the authority of councils, and for freely contradicting their actions, and judging their decrees, and boldly confessing whatever seems true, whether it has been approved or disapproved by any council whatsoever
*SSPX specifically and repeatedly oppose this decision in their heretical actions and hateful lying propaganda
"Remember that if you cannot get to a true Catholic Mass celebrated by a good traditional priest, you should not attend the New Mass or the Indult Mass, and this even if it is the only traditional Mass available".
* SSPX Teaching the heresy one can safely break "Keep Holy the Lord's Day"
Through the intercession of St. Dymphna, may Our Lord grant you abundant graces. God Bless.
The Cardinal’s position is evident from his interviews such as in 30 Days: "It’s fine to celebrate either Mass, but please don’t pit one against the other. Don’t make use of one against the other." Well, the Society is definitely against the New Mass. We even say that it is "intrinsically evil."
Trent
Canon 7. If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema
*Please bookmark these heresies. There are more to come and I get tired of repeatedly posting them
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