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POPE APPROVES BARRING GAY SEMINARIANS
EWTN ^ | September 19, 2005

Posted on 09/19/2005 3:35:59 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 09/19/2005 3:36:07 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/19/2005 3:37:00 PM PDT by NYer
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3 posted on 09/19/2005 3:38:08 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

How uncollegial of him. I wonder if U.S. bishops will respond to this.


4 posted on 09/19/2005 3:40:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: NYer

It's a start, but what is really needed is an Inquisition.


5 posted on 09/19/2005 3:43:22 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: ninenot; AnAmericanMother; BlackElk

Torquemada Club ping! Cleanup needed in aisle 4!

Frank


7 posted on 09/19/2005 3:46:50 PM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." ~GK Chesterton.)
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To: NYer

GO PB17! Clean House!


8 posted on 09/19/2005 4:03:41 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: thoughtomator
It's a start, but what is really needed is an Inquisition.

LOL - Patience...

9 posted on 09/19/2005 4:08:30 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: thoughtomator

There was that Origen in the 2nd(?) century - to avoid the temptation of the flesh, he castrated himself. Maybe following his example ought to be made obligatory.


10 posted on 09/19/2005 4:08:44 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

That might run up against the prohibition in Leviticus against marking the body.


11 posted on 09/19/2005 4:10:23 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Actually, it's PB16...but we know what you meant and share the sentiments...lol!


12 posted on 09/19/2005 4:10:31 PM PDT by CatQuilt (GLSEN is evil)
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To: little jeremiah; EdReform; DirtyHarryY2K; Clint N. Suhks; scripter
poing!

Some Considerations Concerning the Response to Legislative Proposals on Non-discrimination of Homosexual Persons

II. Applications

10. "Sexual orientation" does not constitute a quality comparable to race, ethnic background, etc. in respect to non-discrimination. Unlike these, homosexual orientation is an objective disorder (cf. "Letter," No. 3) and evokes moral concern.

11. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.

13. Including "homosexual orientation" among the considerations on the basis of which it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead to regarding homosexuality as a positive source of human rights, for example, in respect to so-called affirmative action or preferential treatment in hiring practices. This is all the more deleterious since there is no right to homosexuality (cf. No. 10) which therefore should not form the basis for judicial claims. The passage from the recognition of homosexuality as a factor on which basis it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead, if not automatically, to the legislative protection and promotion of homosexuality. A person's homosexuality would be invoked in opposition to alleged discrimination, and thus the exercise of rights would be defended precisely via the affirmation of the homosexual condition instead of in terms of a violation of basic human rights.

Religiosorum Institutio

30. Those To Be Excluded; Practical Directives

Advantage to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.


13 posted on 09/19/2005 4:11:30 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: NYer
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Forget the "don't ask"...just don"t tell.
14 posted on 09/19/2005 4:11:38 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Birthdays start out being fun. But too many of them will kill you..)
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To: GSlob

The ironic thing about the Origen castration thing is that he interpreted a passage about castration in the Gospels literally while he was an early major supporter of non-literal Scriptural interpretation.


15 posted on 09/19/2005 4:12:42 PM PDT by tlRCta (O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!)
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To: NYer
Hell yeah!

I mean, heck yeah!

16 posted on 09/19/2005 4:13:47 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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To: tlRCta

Well, the passage about casting a tempting member away could and should (in this case particularly) be interpreted literally.


17 posted on 09/19/2005 4:19:14 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: nickcarraway

I will predict their response for you, Nick:

Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn.

Sssssshhhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrred this, Bruce!


18 posted on 09/19/2005 4:23:09 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: thoughtomator

You called?


19 posted on 09/19/2005 4:23:34 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: NYer

Great news.


20 posted on 09/19/2005 4:24:52 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past ("Let the wicked man forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the Lord" Is 55:7)
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To: GSlob

In the case of a faithful struggling with temptations of the flesh, perhaps there is a point when self-mutilation becomes a lesser sin. Even then, the advice would be to ask God rather than a surgeon for help.

A priest, however, in addition to avoiding sin himself should be in a position to teach others. If he had to resort to self-mutilation to avoid sin, he is no priest material.

The point of celibacy is properly ordered sexuality, not denial of sexuality.


21 posted on 09/19/2005 4:27:50 PM PDT by annalex
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To: DBeers

Scripture sets high qualifications for leaders within the church. We compromise them at our own peril.


22 posted on 09/19/2005 4:33:05 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past ("Let the wicked man forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the Lord" Is 55:7)
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To: ninenot

"Okay, so we recieved this on opposite day, that means we should do the opposite of what it says."


23 posted on 09/19/2005 4:34:34 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: annalex

I'm not sure of "he is no priest material". There was one Avvakum (born 1621-burned 1682, the founder of "old believers" in Russia, and a very interesting writer). He was counted as leading godly life, both during his lifetime and after his death. Well, he belonged to married clergy. Once, while he was receiving a confession, his flesh became excited - and he immediately put his hand in the candle flame and kept it there till his flesh calmed down. This and other similar acts gave him greater moral authority to place demands on his flock - for he treated himself worse than he treated them.


24 posted on 09/19/2005 4:42:33 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: sandyeggo
The wheels turn slowly, don't they?

That was my thought, too, when I read that sentence.

25 posted on 09/19/2005 4:45:32 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: GSlob

But that is different, as Patriarch Avvakum kept his body intact, and administered a proper confession. Castration is not mortification of flesh -- it insults the Creator.


26 posted on 09/19/2005 4:48:16 PM PDT by annalex
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To: NYer


BRAVO! But they never should have been allowed in anyway.


27 posted on 09/19/2005 4:49:05 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Scripture sets high qualifications for leaders within the church. We compromise them at our own peril.

Not only that, but to whom God has given much, God expects much in return.

28 posted on 09/19/2005 4:52:21 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: annalex

His rank was Archpriest (monsignor, should we translate). As for keeping his body intact - he must have ended up with a serious burn. In his religious practice he routinely made use of corporal punishment as proper means of penance. And he actually considered that weakness to be a failing in himself, and repented it bitterly...


29 posted on 09/19/2005 4:54:56 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

But again, mortification of the flesh is not a way to flee the temptation, but rather to defeat it. Mild forms of that are even encouraged, such as fasting. In contrast to any of that, castration offers no redemptive suffering.


30 posted on 09/19/2005 4:59:34 PM PDT by annalex
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To: nickcarraway

**I wonder if U.S. bishops will respond to this.**

Of course, they will. Come will comply; others will defy.


31 posted on 09/19/2005 5:15:23 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

I hate to be a party-pooper, but if this doesn't change church policy, and the previous policy barring homosexuals has been widely ignored... what's the point? The issue to date hasn't been church teaching or policy, it's been the will to enforce it.


32 posted on 09/19/2005 5:22:57 PM PDT by Juana la Loca
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To: Frank Sheed

Engineering Department is "Go for Full Scale Inquisition".


33 posted on 09/19/2005 5:25:07 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Salvation

Oops.

Come will comply; others will defy.

Some will comply; others will defy.


34 posted on 09/19/2005 5:33:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Vatican to Start U.S. Seminary Evaluations
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U.S. Bishops to Begin Inspecting Seminaries
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American overseeing Vatican evaluation of US seminaries says gays should not be ordained

Vatican to Check U.S. Seminaries on Gay Presence
POPE APPROVES BARRING GAY SEMINARIANS

35 posted on 09/19/2005 5:35:04 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

"The text, which was approved by Pope Benedict at the end of August, says that homosexual men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers."

I'm on board with that, but I don't see that, "Must not be admitted on pain of being burned at the stake," phrasing I was hoping for.


36 posted on 09/19/2005 5:41:32 PM PDT by dsc
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To: little jeremiah

A "celebratory" ping!


37 posted on 09/19/2005 6:07:45 PM PDT by NYer
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To: remus4

The latest "ping"!


38 posted on 09/19/2005 6:10:39 PM PDT by NYer
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To: ninenot

Should I get started on the cucumber sandwiches?


39 posted on 09/19/2005 6:12:52 PM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: nickcarraway
How uncollegial of him. I wonder if U.S. bishops will respond to this.

LOL... Good one. Well, I am confident that our pope knows that he is Papa.

40 posted on 09/19/2005 6:14:34 PM PDT by Barnacle (Free Republic; The modern equivalent of the ham radio... on steroids.)
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To: Frank Sheed

We ladies of the auxiliary have covered our heads and are ready to serve.


41 posted on 09/19/2005 6:14:50 PM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Old Seadog
Forget the "don't ask"...just don"t tell.

What's your point here? Am I supposed to laugh? Clue me in dude.

42 posted on 09/19/2005 6:20:00 PM PDT by Barnacle (Free Republic; The modern equivalent of the ham radio... on steroids.)
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43 posted on 09/19/2005 6:22:48 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (http://soapboxharry.blogspot.com/)
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To: GSlob

Gee Slob,

You're at it again.


44 posted on 09/19/2005 6:23:23 PM PDT by Barnacle (Free Republic; The modern equivalent of the ham radio... on steroids.)
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To: NYer

An excellent document and rigurousy fair to those that have been ordained and by the grace of God have remained celibate.

Expect resistance from "progressive" dioceses.

-Theo


45 posted on 09/19/2005 6:27:23 PM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org)
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To: NYer

WOnderful news!! I love this Pope!!


46 posted on 09/19/2005 6:29:03 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: NYer
This is good news. Indeed, how could any other conclusion have been made? But I do have one word:

ENFORCEMENT?

47 posted on 09/19/2005 6:37:43 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Barnacle

And how did you get that "Gee" is my first initial?


48 posted on 09/19/2005 6:38:50 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Desdemona; Frank Sheed; Salvation
Should I get started on the cucumber sandwiches?

The heck with the cucumber sandwiches, crack open the Champagne or shake us up some martinis :-)

You realize, of course, the repercussions that will be forthcoming from this 'formal' announcement.

49 posted on 09/19/2005 6:47:42 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Old Seadog; T. Buzzard Trueblood; Frank Sheed; ninenot; Desdemona; Salvation

Hell yeah! .... er ... Heck yeah!!
50 posted on 09/19/2005 6:50:15 PM PDT by NYer
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