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1 posted on 09/19/2005 3:36:07 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/19/2005 3:37:00 PM PDT by NYer
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3 posted on 09/19/2005 3:38:08 PM PDT by NYer
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How uncollegial of him. I wonder if U.S. bishops will respond to this.


4 posted on 09/19/2005 3:40:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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It's a start, but what is really needed is an Inquisition.


5 posted on 09/19/2005 3:43:22 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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Torquemada Club ping! Cleanup needed in aisle 4!

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7 posted on 09/19/2005 3:46:50 PM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." ~GK Chesterton.)
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Some Considerations Concerning the Response to Legislative Proposals on Non-discrimination of Homosexual Persons

II. Applications

10. "Sexual orientation" does not constitute a quality comparable to race, ethnic background, etc. in respect to non-discrimination. Unlike these, homosexual orientation is an objective disorder (cf. "Letter," No. 3) and evokes moral concern.

11. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.

13. Including "homosexual orientation" among the considerations on the basis of which it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead to regarding homosexuality as a positive source of human rights, for example, in respect to so-called affirmative action or preferential treatment in hiring practices. This is all the more deleterious since there is no right to homosexuality (cf. No. 10) which therefore should not form the basis for judicial claims. The passage from the recognition of homosexuality as a factor on which basis it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead, if not automatically, to the legislative protection and promotion of homosexuality. A person's homosexuality would be invoked in opposition to alleged discrimination, and thus the exercise of rights would be defended precisely via the affirmation of the homosexual condition instead of in terms of a violation of basic human rights.

Religiosorum Institutio

30. Those To Be Excluded; Practical Directives

Advantage to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.


13 posted on 09/19/2005 4:11:30 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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Hell yeah!

I mean, heck yeah!

16 posted on 09/19/2005 4:13:47 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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Great news.


20 posted on 09/19/2005 4:24:52 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past ("Let the wicked man forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the Lord" Is 55:7)
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"The text, which was approved by Pope Benedict at the end of August, says that homosexual men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers."

I'm on board with that, but I don't see that, "Must not be admitted on pain of being burned at the stake," phrasing I was hoping for.


36 posted on 09/19/2005 5:41:32 PM PDT by dsc
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A "celebratory" ping!


37 posted on 09/19/2005 6:07:45 PM PDT by NYer
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The latest "ping"!


38 posted on 09/19/2005 6:10:39 PM PDT by NYer
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43 posted on 09/19/2005 6:22:48 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (http://soapboxharry.blogspot.com/)
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An excellent document and rigurousy fair to those that have been ordained and by the grace of God have remained celibate.

Expect resistance from "progressive" dioceses.

-Theo


45 posted on 09/19/2005 6:27:23 PM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org)
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WOnderful news!! I love this Pope!!


46 posted on 09/19/2005 6:29:03 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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This is good news. Indeed, how could any other conclusion have been made? But I do have one word:

ENFORCEMENT?

47 posted on 09/19/2005 6:37:43 PM PDT by Petrosius
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Priests who have already been ordained, if they suffer from homosexual impulses, are strongly urged to renew their dedication to chastity, and a manner of life appropriate to the priesthood.

How about asking for forgiveness and repenting?  Does not the admonitions and prescriptions of Scripture apply here?

53 posted on 09/19/2005 7:10:15 PM PDT by gscc
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It seems to me that Consecrated Life would be mean salvation to an homosexual. As a priest he would have to be celebrate. The Holy Father has already said that the sin is bad not the sinner however the sinner should avoid committing the sin. Just like a dipsomaniac. As the cannon say ""all the faithful form a holy and royal priesthood, offer spiritual sacrifices through Jesus Christ and proclaim the greatness of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvellous light" (cf 1 Pet 2:5. 9).(4) In Christ, his entire Mystical body is united to the Father through the Holy Spirit for the salvation of all men." Because "Through consecration, the priest "receives a spiritual 'power' as a gift which is a participation in the authority with which Jesus Christ, through his Spirit, guides the Church". again the Cannons.

I can't find this on the Vatican web page. My Italian is Italian and Latin are great. I'm a little suspect. Because John Paul II has spoken on this since 1994.


72 posted on 09/20/2005 1:37:03 AM PDT by DoirVue
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”…Pope Benedict XVI has given his approval to a new Vatican policy document…The Instruction does not represent a change in...policy.

Huh???

74 posted on 09/20/2005 4:15:31 AM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Act 13:48)
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because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers.

What's that sound I hear?

I've heard it before.

Oh yeah, the sound of liberals gnashing their teeth and rending their clothes.

82 posted on 09/20/2005 4:45:51 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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Enforcement? Disciplining by all means (such as excommunication/de-frocking if needed) for those who drag feet/disobey? Including even bishops/archbishops/cardinals if they drag feet/disobey? I'm delighted at Benedict XVI's policy, but all too often for the past 35 years or so, a lot of US bishops have a history of ignoring policy/or making their own, and getting away with it.
90 posted on 09/20/2005 6:16:25 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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