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Posted on 09/28/2005 4:44:24 PM PDT by NYer
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The confession of a repentant protestant.
The author refers to "Catholic faith," as if to be distinct from "Protestant faith." Should we be exercising and encouraging "Christian faith"?
What is there to be repentant of? Is it a sin to be a "Protestant"?
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They're going fast!
I call BS. This guy was a fake while a protestant or else he is now.
Yes, but that could be independent of your religious faith.
I hope this isn't an indication you are looking for a fight?
Maybe ... I don't see a lot of men with that much spiritual gumption, though. I see more Protestant men dutifully, even cheerfully, coming to Mass with their Catholic wives and children.
The main problem with this author (Steve Woods) is that he looks at Protestantism through the lens of the Assemblies of God. His narrow view of the Protestant faith makes for a poor understanding and contrast to the Catholic faith...
(i.e. he went from misguided to mistaken).
Good read. But be careful. The Catholics on this site hate being challenged and will turn nasty quick if you challenge them.
A generous man, I'm sure! My husband and I converted together, which I consider a tremendous grace. We've had difficulties in our marriage over the years, but conflicting religious belief hasn't been one of them.
That's all right. I used to be one of them until I woke up to the truth.
I don't think it's anti-Catholic...it just points out what isn't so obvious to everyone.
This question has been answered here many times. Here is a good response.
Not me. My girlfriend was a convert to Catholicism and I told she could go to church all she wants, but without me. Thankfully she's never been back in the two years I've been dating her.
You could also try understanding Judaism by reading The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. It would be less harmful.
You could try understanding economics by reading Das Kapital. It would be more enlightening.
You could try understanding patriotism by listening to Cindy Sheehan. It would be more honest.
You could try understanding race relations by reading The Turner Diaries. It would be more honest.
I've seen that in more than one family.
I was RCIA sponsor about 5 years ago for a man in his 50's who was joining the Church after more than 25 years of marriage to a Catholic. He'd been active in their parishes all that time! His wife hadn't received Communion since their marriage, because he had previously been married and divorced. It was very touching to see them walk up to receive Communion together!
You can count me as a former Catholic who intends to remain a former Catholic forever.
This is something I commented on recently:
There is no contradiction in what Paul and James are saying. Paul makes it clear that faith is a gift to us from God. James makes it clear that a person who is not doing good works does not have faith. Good works are a natural outgrowth of living in Jesus Christ because with Him directing our lives we cannot avoid exhibiting good works which He does through us. Our faith makes Him LORD of our life, then He begins doing good works through us precisely because He is genuinely living in us.
So, without faith there will be no selfless good works (think Christian women held prisoner by the Taliban, as opposed to giving to Charity because it benefits us in the form of a tax write off), but a person with faith will always exhibit selfless good works -- as in James' orphans and widows, two groups that will not benefit someone to care for [Jam 1:27] ie. Muslim women and children in Afghanistan under oppressive Talibanic rule.
That's your problem.
IMHO, we should be encouraginbg Catholic faith.
But, then again, I am a committed, believing and practicing Catholc.
So good it's worth a cut-n-paste:
As a Catholic, I believe that I was saved in baptism, I am being saved, and I hope I will be saved.
It's simple: Scripture teaches that ones final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus himself tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:3146). One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of enmity and rebellion against God (the state of mortal sin) will go to hell.
Salvation can not be earned. Salvation is a gift from God, pure Grace, that we did not merit and do not deserve. Jesus Christ died for our sake and for our salvation. Like any gift, his dead and resurrection can be denied.
"See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but Gods kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22; see also Heb. 10:2629, 2 Pet. 2:2021).
Jesus declared: Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord" shall enter the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 7:21)."
One Catholic web-site has a good response for the question "Are you saved?"
"As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:58), but Im also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:910, 1 Cor. 3:1215). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:1113).
God bless you all.
22 posted on 07/26/2002 1:50:42 AM EDT by Gophack
Ooooooh, I think Steve Woods touched a hot button.
THis shoud be an interesting thread.
Mark 10 (live everlasting is salvation):
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, a certain man, running up and kneeling before him, asked him: Good Master, what shall I do that I may receive life everlasting?
18 And Jesus said to him: Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not kill, do not steal, bear not false witness, do no fraud, honour thy father and mother.
20 But he answering, said to him: Master, all these things I have observed from my youth.
21 And Jesus, looking on him, loved him and said to him: One thing is wanting unto thee. Go, sell whatsoever thou hast and give to the poor: and thou shalt have treasure in heaven. And come, follow me.
22 Who being struck sad at that saying, went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
What difference does that make? What does a Protestant base his faith on? His own interpretation of the Scriptures. Whether he is an AOG or a Baptist, you are relying on yourself to figure out what God wants ans what He said, rather then listening to what HE said.
and one of them shows up!
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Nothing in my Catholic past ever mentioned this.
Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy. Its purpose is the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life:40
But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus.41
It's a great answer.
Not in isolation, as a stand-along sentence. That's why it was part of a larger context discussing the comprehensive Catholic view of salvation.
This particular statement comes from 1 Peter 3: 21-22, "Baptism, which corresponds to this [to the rescue of Noah and his family from the Flood], now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him."
That is, "stand-alone."