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Is Libertarian Capitalism compatible with Christianity?
The Angelus (Society of St. Pius X) ^ | May 2005 | Dr. Peter Chojnowski

Posted on 09/30/2005 6:45:41 PM PDT by JohnRoss

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To: Conservative til I die
"Pure capitalism, which teaches that economic progress and wealth are the ultimate goods totally leaves out God."

I don't believe capitalism teaches anything, it being just the use of one's capital for the purpose of investing. Capitalism is just something one practices, including Christians. I have never heard that it should be a substitute for religion, though there are doubtless plenty of people who do that. But not because it is a requirement of capitalism.

61 posted on 10/02/2005 9:25:27 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: JohnRoss
If the constitution is "irrelevent with regard to distributist economics", what protects your rights to 'distribute' property?

And as to your admission on respect for the document, thanks for your candor. At least I know where you stand.
62 posted on 10/02/2005 9:59:08 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: faireturn
Freedom must be "directed" by the State. -- Anti-constitutional BS.

Who says? Care to identify where he said that?

Isn't he talking about altruism? The direction of conscience? The leading of a higher power (not secular or temporal)...but spiritual?

'Bold' socialism.. - And who is to dictate what is "good"? - The state no doubt, - helped along by his religious ideas of the common good.

This appears to be mere projection on your part. And economic confusion as well. And unsupported at that. You do know that the authors have all been hardline anti-communists, don't you?

63 posted on 10/03/2005 5:45:27 AM PDT by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: Paul Ross
The authors version of Christianity is not compatible with our Constitution.

Care to elaborate on just which views are such, and how so?

These lines of his are a good example:

"Freedom," of course, is meaningless, and soon becomes bizarre (as in our own commercialist culture) if it is not directed towards the true "good" that fulfills human nature.

He's claiming that freedom must be "directed" by the State. -- Anti-constitutional BS.

Who says? Care to identify where he said that?

He "says it" in his line just above. Read much?

Isn't he talking about altruism? The direction of conscience? The leading of a higher power (not secular or temporal)...but spiritual?

No, -- he's claiming that freedom must be "directed" by the State. --

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The author:

If freedom does not achieve a true satisfaction of human nature, why is freedom "good"? If, however, freedom is "good" because it genuinely fulfills human nature, economic "freedom" or the ability to sell goods made and to purchase goods made by others, must be subordinated to over­arching considerations of the "good."

'Bold' socialism.. - And who is to dictate what is "good"? - The state no doubt, - helped along by his religious ideas of the common good.

This appears to be mere projection on your part. And economic confusion as well. And unsupported at that.

Of course you can 'project' whatever you like from his ill written words. But I'd still say they speak for themselves.

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The author:

Since we are speaking about a public "good," we must speak about the "common good," in which every private good is included. The common good entails the fulfillment of human nature at large. If all of the above reasoning is valid, economic freedom to buy and sell must be ordered to the achievement of a truly fulfilled human nature, both individually and commonly.

The man is virtually spouting the old communist line.

Care to elaborate on just why you find his views interesting?

You do know that the authors have all been hardline anti-communists, don't you?

So? Anyone can claim to be anti-communist, -- but then spout the socialists line.
Care to elaborate on just why you are defending socialistic views ?

64 posted on 10/03/2005 6:41:51 AM PDT by faireturn
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To: Leapfrog
When was the last time you saw a Libertarian in church?

Yesterday when I looked in the bathroom mirror.

65 posted on 10/03/2005 7:13:56 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: JohnRoss

In the premiere moral battle of today's society, the struggle to protect marriage, the free market is on the other side. Didn't the entire entertainment industry get on the sodomite bandwagon because mass marketers want urban empty nesters ? Haven't we seen the massive poitierization of homosexuals in movies and television for decades now ? A sodomite channel just appeared on my cable service. I didn't ask for it. I certainly don't want it. Media elites decided they would inflict it on me.


66 posted on 10/03/2005 1:11:53 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: faireturn
He "says it" in his line just above. Read much?

Precisely how? Because he is not for anything-goes as a matter of morality?

67 posted on 10/03/2005 2:10:09 PM PDT by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: Paul Ross
He "says it" in his line just above. Read much?

Precisely how? Because he is not for anything-goes as a matter of morality?

His words speak for themselves. There is no precision in them to be "precise" about.

68 posted on 10/03/2005 2:30:03 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: faireturn

Simply stop worshipping the constitution. Libertarianism = economic narcissism.


69 posted on 10/03/2005 4:03:46 PM PDT by JohnRoss (A recovering Protestant)
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To: JohnRoss
If the constitution is "irrelevent with regard to distributist economics", what protects your rights to 'distribute' property?

And as to your admission on respect for the document, thanks for your candor. At least I know where you stand.

Simply stop worshipping the constitution. Libertarianism = economic narcissism.

Your comment doesn't make any sense as a reply to mine. Do you have a point? Care to try again?

70 posted on 10/03/2005 4:36:15 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: faireturn

The constitution says nothing about enshrining laizzez faire capitalism.


71 posted on 10/03/2005 8:08:21 PM PDT by JohnRoss
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To: JohnRoss

Who said it did?


72 posted on 10/03/2005 8:24:32 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: Maeve
I apologise for the misunderstanding. What I meant to say - and said badly - is that the merchant in his capacity as a merchant has no business offering his opinions on theology as if by authority. And vice versa.

Of course, any of us as individuals can - and should - offer opinions on anything that concerns us.

Again, my apologies for some poor and hurried writing.

73 posted on 10/09/2005 11:28:23 PM PDT by John Locke
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