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Gay Catholic priest reflects on his church, his calling, his future (what's wrong with this story?)
Post Standard ^ | October 17, 2005 | Renee Gadoua

Posted on 10/18/2005 8:01:42 AM PDT by NYer

It wasn't until two years after his ordination as a Roman Catholic priest that the Rev. Fred Daley acknowledged he might be gay.

"I was coming down the stairs for morning Mass, and I felt this real deep ache and pain in the pit of my stomach," he said. "It was the first time I was recognizing an ache within that my activity and work and ministry was covering up, and avoiding something."

A light went on, he said.

"I began to become aware of my sexual feelings and desires," he said. He was 27.

Almost 30 years later - after a painful, prayerful and mostly lonely journey - he disclosed his sexual orientation to his Utica congregation in May 2004. As speculation grows that the Vatican is preparing a document that would bar gays from ordination, Daley says he's proud to be a celibate, gay priest.

He said news of the forthcoming Vatican document and visits to American seminaries worries many people - clergy and lay, gay and straight - that the Roman Catholic Church does not welcome gays in its pulpits or pews.

"The church is least faithful to Jesus when it is in the business of excluding," Daley said. "The church should be rejoicing that gay men are ready and willing to use their talents to energize the church. To deprive the church of these gifted men would be a terrible loss."

Daley and other gay priests say the attention to sexual orientation blames gay priests for problems in the church, including the clergy sexual abuse crisis and the shortage of priests. It also reinforces stereotypes of gays as immoral and unable to control their sexual impulses, Daley and others say.

"To the extent the church uses outdated and inaccurate information about homosexual orientation, they are indirectly encouraging the oppression and physical violence against gays and lesbians," Daley said.

Daley, pastor of St. Francis de Sales Church in Utica, is the first priest in the seven-county Roman Catholic Diocese of Syracuse to publicly disclose he is gay. He is thought to be among just a handful of gay priests in the country who have done so.


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; celibacy; deception; fauxpriest; gay; gayisntholy; homosexual; homosexualagenda; lyingaboutvows; manipulation; mortalsin; pervert; priesthood; vatican

1 posted on 10/18/2005 8:01:45 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 10/18/2005 8:03:39 AM PDT by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer
what's wrong with this story?

I think I found the answer in the first sentence.

3 posted on 10/18/2005 8:08:00 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: NYer

A light went on, he said.

Could it be satan?


4 posted on 10/18/2005 8:08:09 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: NYer

He's gay, Jim!


5 posted on 10/18/2005 8:09:36 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: NYer

His first case of the blues? Me thinks not!! And, if so, leave the priesthood for cripes sakes. Don't bring others down with you.


6 posted on 10/18/2005 8:09:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: NYer
"The church should be rejoicing that gay men are ready and willing to use their talents to energize the church

Anyone ever see the Simpsons episode with the gay steel mill? For some reason that just popped into my mind.

7 posted on 10/18/2005 8:09:56 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: NYer
"I began to become aware of my sexual feelings and desires," he said. He was 27.

I'm sorry but I simply do not believe this. I know that from the age of 14 to 19 I was a walking hormone. I was sexually attracted to just about everything female in the world. Is this man saying that he had no sexual stirrings at all until he was 27? I just don't believe it and if he was sexually attracted to females as a youth how did he suddenlly become homosexual? And of course, if he was sexually attracted to males how did he not know that as well?

8 posted on 10/18/2005 8:15:43 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: NYer
"To the extent the church uses outdated and inaccurate information about homosexual orientation ...
It's the idea of a static, irreparable "homosexual orientation" that's outdated and inaccurate, Fr. Daley.
9 posted on 10/18/2005 8:16:15 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: NYer
...attention to sexual orientation blames gay priests for problems in the church, including the clergy sexual abuse crisis

Isn't it true that the vast majority of the abuse was performed by homosexual priests? That isn't in dispute, is it?

A_R

10 posted on 10/18/2005 8:18:53 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: pgkdan; NYer
I'm not being facetious here...I really don't understand how a man can not know to who or what he is sexually attracted? Our bodies give us very clear clues.

My guess is that this priest is a liar and is part of the Lavendar Mafia that is undermining the Church from within and he thinks that we'll be more sympathetic to him and his agenda if we believe that just all of a sudden, at the age of 27 and while already a priest, he became gay. Pure BS.

11 posted on 10/18/2005 8:20:46 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: NYer
"I began to become aware of my sexual feelings and desires," he said. He was 27.

*****************

After this statement, it's impossible for me to believe anything else this man says.

12 posted on 10/18/2005 8:25:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: pgkdan
Is this man saying that he had no sexual stirrings at all until he was 27?

That's it! That's whats wrong with this article. I don't buy this for a second. He also uses the word 'repressed' feelings. Is this perhaps an example of someone who was sexually abused as a child? And why did these feelings suddenly stir in the morning, on his way to say Mass?

The story sounds contrived.

13 posted on 10/18/2005 8:52:46 AM PDT by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer

If he is celibate, why "disclose" to the parishoners?


14 posted on 10/18/2005 8:53:13 AM PDT by It's me
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To: NYer
Almost 30 years later - after a painful, prayerful and mostly lonely journey - he disclosed his sexual orientation to his Utica congregation in May 2004.

Why??????

We don't want to know anything about your accursed "sexuality". Shut the #!*! up and stop giving scandal. Why does anybody need to know that you're attracted to other men? A truly celibate person does not make an issue about his sexuality and certainly doesn't spring a "guess what?" coming out moment on the Catholic families and children who come to Church on Sunday expecting to receive the sacraments and hear the Word of God proclaimed.

Anyone who feels the need to inform the world of their sexual impulses is not celibate. Not by a long way. He may not currently be having sex but he's certainly preoccupied with the thought and it may not be far away.

15 posted on 10/18/2005 8:54:36 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: NYer

The St. Francis de Sales parish listed in the Syracuse Diocese web site indicates that a Father John Buehler is the pastor and Father Daley is the parochial vicar.

I will be the first to admit that these sites are seldom kept up to date including my own.


16 posted on 10/18/2005 9:05:54 AM PDT by PA Lurker
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To: NYer
"To the extent the church uses outdated and inaccurate information about homosexual orientation, they are indirectly encouraging the oppression and physical violence against gays and lesbians," Daley said.

Got any examples of 'outdated and inaccurate', Padre?

Considering that he states he did not realize his sexual orientation until age 27, I'm guessing his discernment process was a bit sketchy.

17 posted on 10/18/2005 9:16:09 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: marshmallow
Anyone who feels the need to inform the world of their sexual impulses is not celibate

And possibly not Godly either.

18 posted on 10/18/2005 9:16:36 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: It's me

Such folk have their own definition of celibate; not married.


19 posted on 10/18/2005 9:30:49 AM PDT by Daffy
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To: It's me
"If he is celibate, why "disclose" to the parishoners?"

Exactly! What on earth could it possibly matter to anyone, IF this priest is celibate AND chaste?

However, as someone else mentioned, "celibate" in the gay subculture of the priesthood (and possibly elsewhere) simply means "unmarried". It does NOT mean "no sexual activity of any kind" like some of us used to assume it meant...

20 posted on 10/18/2005 9:49:01 AM PDT by BizzeeMom
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To: NYer
Almost 30 years later - after a painful, prayerful and mostly lonely journey - he disclosed his sexual orientation to his Utica congregation in May 2004.

Does anyone still wonder why homos should be banned from the priesthood.

Is this in Old Mother Hubbard's diocese or Clark's?
21 posted on 10/18/2005 9:51:11 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: NYer

What really was this ache? Wasn't it the ache of duplicity that he really no longer believed in the Catholic Faith. The evidence for this is his notion that "inclusion" trumps all doctrine and morals. The dogma of inclusion which trumps all is what liberalism accomplishes when it denatures Christianity. This is this priest's religion: a denatured Christianity. Instructive in this regard is a comparative biography called "The Newman Brother." Here you can clinically observe what liberalism does to Christian belief in the person of Francis Newman, Cardinal John Henry Newman's brother. This is why I believe that John Henry Newman fought all his life against this pathology.


22 posted on 10/18/2005 9:53:01 AM PDT by Rampolla
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To: NYer

Jesus told us about "the father of lies",looks like we have found another of his spawn. What is really scary is all of the duped out there,sleeping in the pews.


23 posted on 10/18/2005 9:53:32 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: Antoninus
Is this in Old Mother Hubbard's diocese or Clark's?

Neither ... this is Bishop James M. Moynihan's diocese. The State of NY is filled with these 'servants' - from Rockville Centre on LI right up to Rochester, Syracuse and Albany. Aren't we blessed!

24 posted on 10/18/2005 10:05:07 AM PDT by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer
Daley says he's proud to be a celibate, gay priest.

Calling himself "gay" really means that he has acted out on his homosexual feelings. He states his desires started at 27 years of age and have lasted for 30 years. He claims to be celibate, but my question is how long have you been celibant? 30 years? 10 years? 10 days?

I am a female, married and the mother of four children. If I was to characterize myself it would be in that order. Notice how this priest and others like him will insert the word "gay" before the word priest. That tells me that being gay is more important to them than being a priest. I do not go around calling myself a heterosexual female mother of four. My sexual orientation is irrelevant. It should of been for this priest also. There was absolutely no reason to announce his orientation unless he was more proud of being gay than a priest. It seems to me the only people who love to label themselves are gays! That's what the sin of pride will do to you.

25 posted on 10/18/2005 10:58:07 AM PDT by Gerish (Choose God, he has already chosen you.)
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To: BizzeeMom
It [celibate] does NOT mean "no sexual activity of any kind" like some of us used to assume it meant...

It used to be understood that everyone who was not married was (supposed to be) chaste. Some homosexuals have convinced themselves that since they have no plans to marry, that they are not subject to the standard of chastity.

26 posted on 10/18/2005 11:24:11 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS
"It used to be understood that everyone who was not married was (supposed to be) chaste."

How times have changed!

That *is* still the rule for Catholics...unfortunate how many are unaware of it. :(

27 posted on 10/18/2005 3:02:54 PM PDT by BizzeeMom
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To: pgkdan
"...this priest is a liar and is part of the Lavender Mafia..."

Definitely!
28 posted on 10/18/2005 3:24:46 PM PDT by Angelas
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To: pgkdan

Yeah.

He "came out" and got a very sympathetic interview.

How convenient!


29 posted on 10/18/2005 4:13:56 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: NYer
Funny, I've never heard a priest say that he was a "heterosexual" so why then must this fruit come "out" publicly, and as a "celibate" talk about his sexual desires at a Mass or meeting (not to sure how he disclosed this info. to his congregation) with women and children present?

A priest is supposed to imitate Christ. Christ told us to obey the commandments (God's moral and Natural Law) and never talked about his sexual desires.

this priest is a pig.
30 posted on 10/18/2005 4:34:17 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: little jeremiah

Daley said he had been grappling with going public for some time. He said he spent years hiding his nature, and felt dishonest. The feeling grew as he watched gays be blamed for the sexual abuse scandal. >>>

Sound right to me.


31 posted on 10/18/2005 4:34:56 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: BizzeeMom; Daffy; cielo
However, as someone else mentioned, "celibate" in the gay subculture of the priesthood (and possibly elsewhere) simply means "unmarried". It does NOT mean "no sexual activity of any kind" like some of us used to assume it meant...

Amazing! That is the argument put forth against Bishop Hubbard by one of his accusers. He was a youth attending catholic day camp when, he claims, he was approached by the bishop for sexual favors. The argument given was precisely the one you posited. The young man eventually commited suicide, a lawyer took up the cause and lost in court.

32 posted on 10/18/2005 5:05:25 PM PDT by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: Gerish
Notice how this priest and others like him will insert the word "gay" before the word priest. That tells me that being gay is more important to them than being a priest.

Bingo!

33 posted on 10/18/2005 5:10:20 PM PDT by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: saradippity; sandyeggo
Jesus told us about "the father of lies", looks like we have found another of his spawn. What is really scary is all of the duped out there, sleeping in the pews.

Yes, it is scary and sad. In my (former) RC parish, following the blatant attempt by the pastor to have 'confirmandi' perfom liturgical dance (an attempt that, with God's blessing, I was able to squelch), I was emboldened enough to approach some of the more 'orthodox' parishioners for support in eliminating other abuses. At the parish picnic, I approached one of the most dominant female parishioners, active in just about every aspect of parish life, asking for her support in having the GIRM respected with regard to a Crucifix in the Sanctuary during Mass. Her reaction? Give it up! You'll get used to it with time, just like we did.

At that point, I realized that the battle would be single handed and pursued it as far as I could. When the EEM dropped the consecrated host on the floor and the pastor averted her questioning glance, I buried my head in my hands and asked our Lord to guide me to a holy priest, a reverent liturgy and a welcoming community. That prayer was answered the day I walked into the local Maronite Church. Before me were 3 alcoves in which were - the Tabernacle, a beautiful and reverent traditional Crucifix and the Book of the Gospels. Before me, illuminated with uplights, were the most essential elements of our Cathoic faith. On that day, I pulled out my rosary and began praying in thanksgiving. I have never looked back. Since then, I have met some extraordinary priests, all Maronite. The good ones are out there. We must pray for them!

34 posted on 10/18/2005 5:27:23 PM PDT by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Homosexuals should be banned, forbidden, fired, tossed out, given the boot, shown the door, evicted, defrocked, given the pink slip, ousted, and otherwise eliminated from seminaries and the priesthood.

At the very least.

Freepmail me AND DirtyHarryY2K if you want on/off this pinglist.

Note: Even if they say they are celibate, it's obvious that a homosexual who identifies as such is using the priesthood to advance the "gay" agenda in general or to further his own sexual perversion.

It's utterly shameful and beyond vile that homosexuals have been allowed to infiltrate the Catholic Church as they have. A thorough cleansing is in order.

And the fact that they can't marry has nothing to do with it. Notice all the articles about public school teachers molesting children. No big headlines about that.


35 posted on 10/18/2005 10:07:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: NYer
The story sounds contrived

From the article:

While on vacation a few years after his ordination, Daley visited a gay bar and recognized the source of the ache in the pit of his stomach.

Yep, that's what I would do on my vacation: stroll into a gay bar for no reason.

Gimme a break.

36 posted on 10/18/2005 10:28:41 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon
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To: NYer
In September 2002, organizers of an interfaith service in Utica in memory of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks removed Daley as the main speaker after some criticized his advocacy for the gay and lesbian community and for celebrating Masses that publicly welcome gay and lesbian Catholics.

I keep reading of homosexual priests like this. They do not teach Church doctrine that homosexuality is intrinscially disordered. They cannot else they would have to accept that of themselves. They have rejected Church teachings for the orientation of the flesh.

The Catholic Church is a huge hurdle to homosexuals who want their orientations affirmed. They are bent on destroying the Church from within.

37 posted on 10/18/2005 10:41:57 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon
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To: PeterPrinciple

Yeah, it's satan, alright. Right there descending the stairs with the glow in his tummy.

Here we go again, with more of that attack media about Pope Benedict's recent instruction.

This is only the beginning. We need to see that people like this man are removed from the priesthood and those like him are not admitted in the future.

If that leaves "20%" remaining in the priesthood, fine, let's go with those and gain more of same over time. Most Catholics would welcome the "cutback" of the numbers as they now exist, given that this guy's glowing tummy is a good example of the average gay man in the Catholic priesthood, lying about the vows they say they are committed to.


38 posted on 10/19/2005 12:17:16 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: pgkdan

No, I think what he's admitting to is he's been lying all along and at the age of "27" he's feeling emboldened enough to descend the stairs with the emerging glow in his tummy and finally "come out" while wearing the collar.

Not like it's a surprise to this guy at the age of "27," is my point, just as you point out.

There are probably going to be increasing appearances of statements/articles such as this, about various "revelations" by "priests" already in the Church -- given the large numbers of liberals AND homosexuals in media, eager to try to demean the Catholic church and ridicule the credibiliity of Pope Benedict's instruction (as also, the Church's), AND, to continue the homosexual denigration of the faith.

I've even read lately them writing that "Jesus was gay" (in their imaginings) and if anything, statemetns such as that and this one, this article, reinforce to my view that the presence of Christ, who He is, Christianity, is just a game in their view...

You know, satan's defined as the deceiver. I think this bears witness to that fact. Deception, all the petty, banal harassments and lies that accompany it, it's all right here in this very significant issue.


39 posted on 10/19/2005 12:22:41 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: BizzeeMom

Yes, exactly, which is why the issue of "celibate AND CHASTE" is a significant part of the vows of the priesthood.

Celibacy is one thing. Chastity is another. Both are an aspect to the vows they say they swear to before God.

As in, they've sworn falsely.


40 posted on 10/19/2005 12:25:26 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: little jeremiah

Homosexuals are a contridiction to the belief

Romans 1:21-31

1:21 Because, though they knew God, they did not glorify him as God, nor were they thankful; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1:23 And exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling corruptible man, and birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.

1:24 Therefore God gave them up, through the lusts of their own hearts, to sexual impurity, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves:

1:25 Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

1:26 For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women exchanged natural relations for that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise the men, leaving their natural relations with woman, burned in their lust toward one another; men with men doing that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1:28 And as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.

1:29 They were filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malevolence; whisperers,

1:30 Slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

1:31 Without understanding, untrustworthy, without natural affection, unmerciful:


41 posted on 10/19/2005 1:07:38 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: NYer

It sounds to me as if this guy needs to see a good spiritual director rather than flaunt his feelings to the world. I wonder if he has been influenced by the "gay lobby" and that they're making a mouthpiece of him. I too find it difficult to believe that he is going through puberty at 27, or he must have big problems!

Fr. Anthony


42 posted on 10/19/2005 7:48:02 AM PDT by Father Anthony
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To: tuesday afternoon; All
"The Catholic Church is a huge hurdle to homosexuals who want their orientations affirmed. They are bent on destroying the Church from within."

My thoughts exactly.

There is a wonderful piece by Dennis Prager, who is conservative and Jewish, called "Judaism's Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism (and then Christianity) Rejected Homosexuality".

click here

43 posted on 10/19/2005 8:05:28 AM PDT by BizzeeMom
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