Skip to comments.Back to the Beginning: A Brief Introduction to the Ancient Catholic Church
Posted on 11/21/2005 11:58:28 AM PST by NYer
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Girding up for the holiday season :-)
Great post. Thank you.
How timely. ;O)
Moslty great post (I'd debate what primacy meant then and now...)
I especially like the calling out of the History Channel.
After they decided a good Christmas special was one about whether the Virgin Mary was raped by a Roman soldier I am shocked that the church hasn't called for boycotting the channel. (Attacking the virgin birth is a direct attack on Christianity).
This, in a nutshell, is the reason I am compelled to be, and remain, a Catholic. What else is there? Where else can we go?
"Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God."
Why should believe the History Channel or Doubleday when we have the Catholic Church to give us the OBJECTIVE view of Church history? ;O)
Thanks to Land O'Lakes and other goofy kooky wreckovators of Catholic higher education.
Yeah. And that's putting it lightly.
More could be said about the retarded nature of modern liberal secular humanist culture.
"Long before there was a New Testament, there was a deposit of faith concerning the nature of God, His threefold personality, His purpose in making man, the Incarnation."
This is one of the primary reasons I'm becoming Catholic!
Why Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox?
"Why Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox?"
Orthodox churches allow divorce and remarriage, as well as contraception. The teachings of Catholicism make more sense in light of what's been revealed in Sacred Scripture. To quote from the conversion story of Cindy Beck (http://www.chnetwork.org/cbconv.htm):
"Up until 1930, all Christian churches taught that contraception was intrinsically evil and gravely sinful. It was the Anglican Church, at its Lambeth Conference, that first approved the use of birth control. Since that time, every single Protestant denomination and sadly even the Orthodox Church has followed suit, departing from nineteen hundred years of universal Christian belief."
The Orthodox church does not allow divorce or contraception.
The church allows remarriage in cases of adultry. The difference being they don't call it an annulmant even though it is the same set of criteria. It's based on the exact same scriptural reference the Catholic church uses for determining anulmants.
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Anyone familiar with the Orthodox church and Catholic church doctrine will confirm the doctrine in both the Catholic and Orthodox churches is near identical on these topics. Your 'mileage may vary' from parish to parish, however it does in the Catholic church as well.
Further they hold to the Fourth Council definition of primacy:
And the original version of the Nicene Creed:
I have found through experience that some people will only believe those histories that they want to believe, that support their own already pre-conceived ideas of how things were. By going to primary sources or secondary sources that remain unbiased, we can get a good idea of the history. But I personally don't care much for such scholarship made with the intent in mind already to disprove the Church (or any other historical claim). Before becoming Christian, I learned this in my study of military history. One could manipulate history to make it read what they wanted - so it was necessary to look at the source - is the "historian" trying to prove something? Or are they trying to look at the facts in an unbiased manner, presenting what is there?
It appears anachronistic thought is alive and well, by the looks of those "anti-Catholic" historians trying to resurrect the Gnostic heresies.
I would say that the author is refering to the Catholic Church pre-1054. While the falling out began prior to that, certainly one would say that in the early centuries of the Church, the East West divide was not nearly as pronouced as it has sadly become today. Would you agree?
Up until the 1054 the church was fairly unified. I just don't like the way the article uses the generic term primacy, as though everyone in 1053 had the same definition as the Vatican I definition.
I think a return to the pre-1054 understanding of primacy would be a huge step toward ending the schism (that and a real effort on both sides to stop picking converts out of the other's parishes).
Further I think the combined weight of both churches could do a lot to eliminate protestantism.
Yes. I quite agree.