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Vatican document stirs (catholic) priest to step aside
AZCentral | November 29, 2005 | Michael Clancy

Posted on 11/29/2005 5:56:11 AM PST by NYer

A Catholic priest in Mesa has resigned as a pastor because of "aggressive anti-gay positions" coming from the pope in Rome and bishop in Phoenix.

The Rev. Leonard Walker, 58, who as pastor was chief executive of Queen of Peace church, is the first priest in the Phoenix Diocese to resign over church treatment of gay men, specifically a new Vatican document aimed at keeping gay men out of the priesthood.

Walker declined to disclose his sexual orientation, but he said he was no longer comfortable "wearing the uniform" of the priesthood.



"It's like a Jew wearing a Nazi uniform," Walker said. "I could no longer stay in that institution with any amount of integrity."

His decision comes on the eve of the release of an instruction from the Vatican that limits entrance into seminaries primarily to heterosexual men.

Many Catholics believe the document addresses concerns that the clergy abuse scandal was caused by gay priests because so many of the victims were young men. They also believe it will lead to a much-needed reform of seminaries, where a gay subculture has thrived, according to some reports.

The Vatican document, leaked to the Italian media last week, says candidates for the priesthood who are "actively homosexual, have deep-seated homosexual tendencies, or support the so-called gay culture" cannot be ordained. It added that their sexual orientation "seriously obstructs them from properly relating to men and women."

The Rev. Chris Carpenter, pastor of Christ the King Catholic church in Mesa, said although the document speaks only about seminarians, "clearly it is sending a message that gay priests are unacceptable, not for what they are doing but for who they are."

The Rev. Fred Adamson, vicar general of the diocese and Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted's second in command, said no decision has been made about how they will implement the Vatican document. The diocese does not ask directly about candidates' sexuality.

Olmsted was not available for comment.

The new Vatican document reinforces long-standing policy for a church that teaches that homosexuality is immoral.

Walker said Monday that he had planned to resign quietly, telling his parishioners only that his decision was unrelated to any "accusation, suspicion or request by church authorities." But, he said, he changed his mind after what he called "mistreatment" by Adamson, who told him that he could not celebrate Mass for the final time at Queen of Peace and that his health insurance would be cut off immediately.

Adamson declined to disclose details of the discussion.

"I can tell you we were not aware of the reason for his resignation," he said.

Walker, a member of the Salvatorian religious order, said he also took a leave of absence from the order.

In the Catholic Church, a priest is ordained for life unless he resigns or is defrocked, a lengthy legal process. Priests serve in a variety of roles. Walker said he will continue to work as a hospice chaplain until he decides whether to leave the priesthood.

He said that Olmsted has been "aggressively anti-gay," unlike previous bishops, and that the Vatican also has taken anti-gay positions.

Among them:


• In 2000, the Vatican suspended the Rev. Robert Nugent, Walker's colleague in the Salvatorian order, from continuing a ministry to gays and lesbians in Washington, D.C.


• The Vatican is visiting American Catholic seminaries to assess their treatment of gay candidates, directly as a result of the clergy abuse scandal.


• Olmsted rejected the pro-gay Phoenix Declaration, signed by nine Catholic priests, after his two predecessors made no such move. He required the signers to revoke their support or risk their jobs. Walker did not sign.


• Finally, according to Walker, a Phoenix-area priest, whom he declined to identify, lost his job as pastor recently because of his homosexuality, a reason not disclosed by the diocese. Adamson said he knew nothing about that.

Carpenter, who is a diocesan priest, said Walker could be the first of many to step aside. He added that any priest who discloses that he is gay "risks immediate reprisals."

Walker was well-liked at Queen of Peace, which is in downtown Mesa.

"He will definitely be missed," said Loralynn Quintero, 33, of Mesa, who had worked with Walker on a counseling program.

"Everyone has an opinion" about homosexuality, she said. "(It's) a matter between him and God."

Maria Delgadillo, 29, of Mesa, said she was surprised and sad to hear Walker had resigned.

"I don't think he should be leaving," she said. "I don't think it is a good reason."

"We are sorry to see him go," said Sandra Lopez, a church member for a couple of years. "I'm going to stay neutral (on why he is leaving)."


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: adios; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; papalzot; phoenix; resignation
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1 posted on 11/29/2005 5:56:12 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

The first casualty.


2 posted on 11/29/2005 5:59:49 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer

Don't let the door hit you ...


3 posted on 11/29/2005 6:00:17 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: NYer

Sorry to lose priests, but there are undoubtly some who we would be better without.


4 posted on 11/29/2005 6:03:34 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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To: NYer

"It's like a Jew wearing a Nazi uniform,"

You bottom feeder. The progressives are infatuated with Nazis. Are they projecting?


5 posted on 11/29/2005 6:04:00 AM PST by Buck W. (Yesterday's Intelligentsia are today's Irrelevantsia.)
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To: NYer; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ...

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6 posted on 11/29/2005 6:04:32 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: NYer
Walker declined to disclose his sexual orientation

But proceeded to drop several twelve-ton hints...

7 posted on 11/29/2005 6:06:11 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
<> what the heck is that? I thought a pastor was a pastor? Goes to show you liberals like to run the church as a bussiness.
8 posted on 11/29/2005 6:13:13 AM PST by badabing98
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To: badabing98

--chief executive of Queen of Peace church,

I meant to include this in the above.


9 posted on 11/29/2005 6:13:42 AM PST by badabing98
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To: TXBSAFH

What is it with these ding-dong parishioners who can't seem to understand the issue?

Sigh. Years of really lousy catechesis, I suppose, combined with years of pro-gay propaganda.


10 posted on 11/29/2005 6:13:42 AM PST by livius
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To: NYer

It is a sadness to see a priest leave, but it is a mark of God's favor when men who disagree with the magisterium and the Vatican actually do leave, I suspect.


11 posted on 11/29/2005 6:15:04 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer
When we hear all the complaints about homosexuals being discriminated against let us remember all the good orthodox men that the homosexuals and their liberal allies have kept out of the priesthood.
12 posted on 11/29/2005 6:18:13 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

A good and valid point. Of course, the one group in our society you can stomp on with impunity is the heterosexual male, especially if he's white (extra brownie points for the combination!)


13 posted on 11/29/2005 6:21:00 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer
"It's like a Jew wearing a Nazi uniform," Walker said. "I could no longer stay in that institution with any amount of integrity."

You said it, brother.

14 posted on 11/29/2005 6:35:10 AM PST by TradicalRC (Searching Free Republic with lantern aloft for an answer...)
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To: NYer; Coleus; Talking_Mouse
Related thread:

Gay priest: Vatican edict will force others away

 

15 posted on 11/29/2005 6:42:20 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: NYer
"It's like a Jew wearing a Nazi uniform," Walker said. "I could no longer stay in that institution with any amount of integrity."

Uh, no it isn't, creep.

16 posted on 11/29/2005 6:43:49 AM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: NYer

It seems our Papa's edict is working. :)


17 posted on 11/29/2005 6:56:34 AM PST by Romish_Papist (Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.)
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To: Romish_Papist

To use homosexual logic, the priest uses the epithet Nazi because he is afraid he might be a closeted Nazi.


18 posted on 11/29/2005 7:02:48 AM PST by JohnRoss (We need a real conservative in 2008)
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To: NYer

Don't let the door hit him on the way out.


19 posted on 11/29/2005 7:13:39 AM PST by x5452
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To: NYer
"Everyone has an opinion" about homosexuality, she said. "(It's) a matter between him and God."

Everyone has an opinion, but the Church has a teaching.

Find out what it is and remember it, you clueless dimbulb.

20 posted on 11/29/2005 7:20:57 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: NYer

Dear former "reverend" Walker,

Don't let the door hit your sorry caboose! May many more follow him out the door! Time for priests and bishops to be Catholic, not PC!


21 posted on 11/29/2005 7:27:54 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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To: NYer

Salvatorian, eh?

Milwaukee's second-most-infamous child abuser was/is a Salvatorian. The order has a very light-footed-pink odor in this area.


22 posted on 11/29/2005 7:28:43 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: NYer
The first casualty.

Awwww ... po' widdle snookums gonna cwy.

The Priesthood is a better and cleaner institution now that he's gone.

23 posted on 11/29/2005 7:30:18 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
Meanwhile, in Vietnam ............
24 posted on 11/29/2005 7:30:44 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: Tax-chick

This guy wants the door to hit him in the ass.


25 posted on 11/29/2005 7:31:30 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: livius

>>>>Sigh. Years of really lousy catechesis, I suppose, combined with years of pro-gay propaganda.

Of course, they were getting their catechesis from whom? The guy who just resigned because he disagrees with Church teaching.

patent


26 posted on 11/29/2005 7:32:22 AM PST by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: marshmallow

Those pictures from Viet Nam are amazing!


27 posted on 11/29/2005 7:33:41 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
Walker declined to disclose his sexual orientation, but he said he was no longer comfortable "wearing the uniform" of the priesthood.

"It's like a Jew wearing a Nazi uniform," Walker said. "I could no longer stay in that institution with any amount of integrity."

Wow! Sounds like this was for the best.

28 posted on 11/29/2005 7:44:30 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: patent

Yes, from him and his buds, to say nothing of their former "shepherd," the bishop better known for things other than teaching...


29 posted on 11/29/2005 7:49:00 AM PST by livius
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To: ArrogantBustard
Aren't they great?

Very encouraging, indeed.

30 posted on 11/29/2005 8:05:11 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: stocksthatgoup

LOL!


31 posted on 11/29/2005 8:41:27 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: NYer
This article, originally written in 2000, was brought to my attention on bettnet last night. The priest who wrote it is a Marine chaplain. He was written about in 2004 (Wash. Times) when he was giving last rites to Marines in a firefight in Najaf.

The Gay Priest Problem

32 posted on 11/29/2005 8:48:33 AM PST by BizzeeMom
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To: NYer

This is just so terribly sad.........NOT!


33 posted on 11/29/2005 9:04:38 AM PST by Tantumergo
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To: NYer

34 posted on 11/29/2005 9:05:05 AM PST by Phx_RC (More holy bishops needed. ..........Sweep, sweep.)
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To: NYer; EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Very good news. May his departure be the first of many. His statement about "a Jew wearing a Nazi uniform" shows that he hates the Church and was always an enemy of God.

Very interesting article. Biased, of course - note how they manage to find three church members who are supportive of the homosexual "priest" and none who are glad that an imposter is leaving.

Freepmail me and DirtyHarryY2K if you want on/off this pinglist.

Note this: "an instruction from the Vatican that limits entrance into seminaries primarily to heterosexual men."

What do they mean "PRIMARILY"? I would say "EXCLUSIVELY".


35 posted on 11/29/2005 9:06:31 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: NYer

Hopefully more will be honest and follow.


36 posted on 11/29/2005 9:08:43 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: badabing98

Sometimes when priests are transferred they serve as an administrator for a short time before they are announced as pastor. It's just rubrics.


37 posted on 11/29/2005 9:10:06 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Phx_RC

Good one!

No longer a "Windswept" house, but truly a "swept out" house!


38 posted on 11/29/2005 9:12:18 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: BizzeeMom; Convert from ECUSA

Nail.


Head.


39 posted on 11/29/2005 9:19:27 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TXBSAFH
Sorry to lose priests, but there are undoubtedly some who we would be better without.

I agree. I would gladly get up at 6:00 am, drive 40 miles, and stand in the back every Sunday if this policy were to mean fewer priests and fewer parishes.

I suspect however that we could even see MORE priests. I have been told that many good men simply can't deal with that "culture" in certain seminaries and either quietly leave or are forced out.

40 posted on 11/29/2005 9:29:08 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: NYer

Kudos to his shred of integrity. The church, nonetheless, will be much better with him gone.


41 posted on 11/29/2005 9:31:15 AM PST by dangus
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To: ArrogantBustard

BAM! Emerilize 'em! Left foot of fellowship out the church-house door! With a size 15 footprint on their cabooses!


42 posted on 11/29/2005 9:38:46 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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To: NYer
The Rev. Chris Carpenter, pastor of Christ the King Catholic church in Mesa, said although the document speaks only about seminarians, "clearly it is sending a message that gay priests are unacceptable, not for what they are doing but for who they are."

He seems to not understand that what they do is not who they are. This has nothing to do with who they are (a child of God unfortunately in habitual sin) and everything to do with what they do (choosing to remain in that sin rather than repent and be made whole) If they identify as 'gay' then they are doing something that is immoral, contrary to church teaching, and anti-biblical.

43 posted on 11/29/2005 9:42:29 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: NYer
The first casualty.

Casualty is so not the right word here. How about "the first fruit of enforcing longstanding church teaching".

But then again "fruit", while fitting, isn't quite right either.

How about "The first evidence that the church's efforts to clean house and return to sound doctrine are working."

44 posted on 11/29/2005 9:45:25 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O

The identity of men such as this is completely consumed with being gay, not with being either a child of God OR a priest The Church is right to create a situation such as this, where more and more of these men will feel uncomfortable enough to want to leave. And a possible priest-shortage that might result from this is no cause for regret either. The Church already has a priest shortage, and clearing the decks for new, and totally orthodox, recruits will hopefully swell the ranks, not decrease them.


45 posted on 11/29/2005 10:39:49 AM PST by Rosie405
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To: NYer
"I could no longer stay in that institution with any amount of integrity."

Is that all the Church is to him, an "institution?"

46 posted on 11/29/2005 11:09:02 AM PST by It's me
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To: Rosie405
"The Church is right to create a situation such as this, where more and more of these men will feel uncomfortable enough to want to leave. And a possible priest-shortage that might result from this is no cause for regret either. The Church already has a priest shortage, and clearing the decks for new, and totally orthodox, recruits will hopefully swell the ranks, not decrease them."

Amen to that!
47 posted on 11/29/2005 11:09:34 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The Priesthood is a better and cleaner institution now that he's gone.

Sounds like no one will lose any sleep over this guy!

48 posted on 11/29/2005 11:16:50 AM PST by Gerish (Choose God, he has already chosen you.)
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To: Rosie405
"The Church already has a priest shortage, and clearing the decks for new, and totally orthodox, recruits will hopefully swell the ranks, not decrease them."

Yes.

49 posted on 11/29/2005 11:39:59 AM PST by BizzeeMom
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To: John O; NYer; Salvation; saradippity; kstewskis; Rosie405; little jeremiah; TXBSAFH; Buck W.; ...
RE: The Rev. Chris Carpenter, pastor of Christ the King Catholic church in Mesa...

MASS FOR WORLD AIDS DAY TO BE CELEBRATED...
The Franciscan Renewal Center, 5802 E. Lincoln Drive in Scottsdale will celebrate a Mass of remembrance and healing in honor of World AIDS Day at 7:00 PM on Wednesday, November 30th.

Fr. Chris Carpenter, representing the Catholic Diocese of Phoenix HIV/AIDS Resource Committee, will preside. All infected, affected, or otherwise concerned individuals of any religious background are welcome to attend. For more information, please call the Franciscan Renewal Center at (480) 948-7460,

Gay and Lesbian ministry page info.
Given the context, is there something a bit unusual or inappropriate about the name of the "musical work" that is being offered? Hmmm?

Are they following the bishop of their diocese or are they following "Mahoney" [sic] - and maybe "sick" too.

Those familiar with the CASA and its history might wonder if perhaps these Franciscans will someday receive a letter from Benedict XVI similar to the one recently sent to the Franciscans in Assisi.

50 posted on 11/29/2005 12:16:40 PM PST by Phx_RC (Let's have an Apostolic Visitation for the employees and office staff of the USCCB.)
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