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Posted on 12/08/2005 1:29:11 PM PST by NYer
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My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord (we join Mary in this)
My spirit rejoices in God my savior
for he has looked with favor on his lowly servant (because of this, we participate, too)
From this day all generations will call me blessed:
the Almighty has done great things for me
and holy is his Name
He has mercy on those who fear him
in every generation
He has shown the strength of his arm
he has scattered the proud in their conceit.
He has cast down the mighty from their thrones
and has lifted up the lowly
He has filled the hungry with good things
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has come to the help of his serrvant Israel
for he has remembered his promise of mercy He remembers this promise of mercy through Mary! After all was said and done from Abraham, Israel, Moses, and so on these Patriarchs are dwarfed for He remembers His promise throught this young woman: Mary, the most highly favored one. God doesn't just select any old Abraham, Israel, or Moses. These were specific people. And she was the one proclaimed: full of grace by the angel of the Lord
the promise he made to our fathers,
to Abraham and his children for ever.
She is our spiritual Mother, .30 Carbine, she is His Mother, and the Almighty's most chaste spouse. It is scriptural.
Lastly:Jhn 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Jhn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own [home].
He gave her to us, .30Carbine: John is us, and we must care for her rightful place and honor her.This is not worshipping her, however. V's wife
Well, cats can't love. What are you getting at, and why play cat and mouse with it? So to speak. :) V's wife.
And yet, again PM, Rev. 12, in my Bible and Yours. Those who profess the testimony of Jesus Christ, all of 'em, are identified as the children of Mary.
So? Are you one of us?
"Well, cats can't love. "
Your right. I should have said dogs!
"What are you getting at, and why play cat and mouse with it? So to speak. :)"
This is what I am getting at with the question. Why go to someone who loves you less to make an appeal to someone who loves you more?
Jesus is infinite God. He love you infinitely. Mary is fininte. She loves you infinitely less than Jesus. So why go to Mary to get to Jesus (never mind the fact that the Bible says there is one mediator between God and man)?
The Bible says that if we come by the blood of Jesus that we can boldly come to the throne of grace to find help in time of need. It doesn't say we need to come through Mary.
It is so Jesus is eternal because He is of the Holy Trinity, BUT the Father so WILLED he become a God-man through MAry. Thus He also created MAry to be the Mother of Jesus for this purpose. Jesus Christ IS TRUE GOD AND TRUE MAN.
MAry is HIS Divine and most pure Mother by the singular GRACE of GOD.
And Jesus I am SURE would not like anyone slapping His MOM down so watch it!
******" It is so Jesus is eternal because He is of the Holy Trinity, BUT the Father so WILLED he become a God-man through MAry"
******"MAry is HIS Divine and most pure Mother by the singular GRACE of GOD."
Mary is not "Divine".
Divine means having the nature of or being a deity.
******"And Jesus I am SURE would not like anyone slapping His MOM down so watch it!"
As I have posted elsewhere: This is NOT an attack on Mary! I believe everything the Bible says about Mary - that she was a pure and humble haindmaden of the Lord, but nevertheless a sinner in need of a Savior.
My comments are a defense of the Mary of the Bible from those who wish to inflate her into some type of semi-divine, female Savior.
This reverence of her is from the very earliest days as attested to by the Christians of the Catacombs. Were these early believers wrong? They venerated her. I am tossing my coin with them. V's wife.
" It is true that commentators generally understand the whole passage as applying literally to the Church, and that part of the verses is better suited to the Church than to Mary. "
You see, they admit it right there. The rest of the commentary has no Biblical support (that's why they offer no references).
But it isn't the "Church" as in the RCC. It's the "Church" like the Remnant, the Messianic community stretching back into the OT.
It's the true Israel.
Yeaits what's beleived. WHat you think that when we are risen up, we are physically limited as in this earth?
Again, jumping to faulty conclusions, and beleiving them.
Thanks, petronius for being omniscient and knowing for a fact that her statement is blasphemous. As hard as it is for you to accept, you too will become catholic at the moment of your death, when the reality of God's plan is revealed to you upon your death. Silly man.
"Again, jumping to faulty conclusions"
Can you elaborate???
I'm reminded of the recent controversy of the South Park episode denigrating Mary, and the two recent threads where certain FReepers vigorously defended the sacrilege and jumped all over me for calling it trash. Oh well!
You just gloss over the fact that Catholic Doctrine teaches that 1) Jesus is the only mediator; and 2) the ultimate judge. Yet you insist that this is not what the Church beleives! You insist on taking other Catholic beleifs that are not contradictory to this, but which to your limited mind beleiver are similar, and again, because of your limited mind, you automatically jump to the faulty conclusion that since they are similar they are the same. Sometime, you should actually sit down and read a book on Catholic belief, and not a book on supposed Catholic beleifs. Remember your perception of what Catholic's beleive (and your sincere beleif in your personal infallibility) are not actual Catholic beleifs.
Yes, that it, God revealed all in the Bible. (which by the way was written by Catholics)
And more over, you are in one sense correct, the revealed word of God support the Catholic position. But the true meaning of those words, which you so deliberately insist on misinterpreting, WILL be revealed to you upon your death. Thats all. You can't lie to yourself in the afterlife Petronio.
"You just gloss over the fact that Catholic Doctrine teaches that 1) Jesus is the only mediator;"
Wrong, friend. Catholic doctrine is that there is one mediator between God and man - Jesus. But there is also a mediator between Jesus and man - Mary.
"Sometime, you should actually sit down and read a book on Catholic belief,"
If it is in the Bible , shouldn't I have been able to have found it there?
"Yes, that it, God revealed all in the Bible"
So why do I need to wait till death to find out?
" (which by the way was written by Catholics)"
The NT (except perhaps Luke) was written by Jewish Christians. They never called themselves "Catholic".