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To: Rosary

" Mary has told one of her,servants,St. Catherine Sienna,that she is the channel through which graces flow from "

That is absolutely anti-Christian against the teaching found in the Bible.

John says of Jesus:

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. ... And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

Grace comes to us through Jesus Christ.




It is also a direct contradiction of the teaching of the Lord. Look at this:

"On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink." - John 7

He said, "Come to ME" not "Go to Mary".




"God gave Mary this "power" to be helper of those who call on her,as a Mother,to help them!"


Jesus, not Mary, is the person we should call on help us. Look at waht the scriptures say...


"This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant... he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.

Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them." - Heb 7


Who do you think loves you more - Jesus or Mary?


15 posted on 12/08/2005 9:08:48 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus; Salvation

If you want to take quotes from the Bible to justify your viewpoint, that can just as easily be done for Mary.

"The angel of the Lord appeared to her." That alone is amazing, as usually God sends his messages to people in dreams in the old and new testaments. But here, he sends a heavenly body.

"Hail Mary, full of grace!" That's not a Catholic made-up prayer, it's from scripture. Mary is the only woman who ever lived who is grace-filled, pure of defect, immaculate. This gives her a special place of honor among all humanity. This does not mean we worship Mary like we do God, but she is "blessed among women."

"Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus." Mary and Jesus DO go together. You can't have one without the other. He chose her to be his tabernacle.

When Mary visits Elizabeth, and the latter cries "the baby leapt in my womb for joy." The future John the Baptist recognizes Jesus inside Mary. Could God choose to dwell in anything less that a perfect and pure vessel?

There have been only two perfect human beings on planet earth, Jesus and Mary. I don't see why some folks have such a problem with that. Mary herself has appeared in many parts of the world, not just in visions, but physically.

It's easy to dismiss Mary if you have never looked into Marian theology or the Church's teachings on Mary. Don't deprive yourself of your spiritual Mother. As Jesus said on the cross, "Here is your Mother."

And after his Resurrection, he glorified Mary by bringing her body and soul to Heaven. She is in the perfect state, as is Christ, which we may all attain someday.

We all agree Mary existed, that Jesus was born of a woman.
Besides the Bible, which can be twisted around to suit everyone, we also have 2000 years of history, revelations, mystics who spoke with Mary, Catholic doctrine which was revealed over centuries, not just made up on the whim of a pope.

But also, isn't it just common sense? This is the Mother of God! We know she has preceeded us to Heaven, we know that during his lifetime Jesus always honored and respected her, that as a child he was dependent on her for his every need. Should we not follow his example?


18 posted on 12/08/2005 10:03:01 PM PST by baa39
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To: PetroniusMaximus

You ask
Who do you think loves you more - Jesus or Mary?
At the foot of the cross STOOD Mary,and on the cross was her Son Jesus-they both loved all mankind-for the sake of the immortal salvation of the souls. Neither HAD to be where they were-but under LOVE suffered to save us.
Could you stand there? and watch an innocent relative die?
Mary,is not greater then Jesus,she is not God-BUT she was the MOTHER..and from this she is LOVED and respected,and reverenced in the Catholic Church I hope one day you'll KNOW THIS. No sin in it and I bet it pleases Jesus to see His Mother LOVED, and called on..just as you'd callon your own flesh- Mother, thus,love and like the folks who like your MOM. Simple.


23 posted on 12/09/2005 3:18:52 PM PST by Rosary (Pray the rosary daily,wear the Brown scapular)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Again, jumping to faulty conclusions, and beleiving them.


51 posted on 12/11/2005 11:02:09 AM PST by The Cuban
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