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Papal Honors awarded to priests, religious, laity of LA Archdiocese (Mahony Alert!)
The Tidings ^ | December 2, 2005

Posted on 12/09/2005 9:42:25 AM PST by NYer

Pope Benedict XVI has accorded the papal honor of Protonotary Apostolic to four priests of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and the title of Monsignor to 13 others.

Additionally, more than 200 lay and religious men and women received papal honors. Nearly 40 were honored as Knights and Dames of St. Gregory, another 28 as recipients of the Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice Award, and 150 as recipients of the Benemerenti Award.

Collectively, the recipients represent a third of the 288 parishes of the archdiocese. Each of the honors is presented in recognition for outstanding service and commitment to the church and the Holy Father. The honors will be presented to each recipient at liturgies to be arranged in their parishes and/or pastoral regions.

Monsignors

Protonotary Apostolic is the highest level in the honorary title of monsignor. The four priests named to this honor, all of whom were previously monsignors, are:

---Msgr. John Barry, pastor of American Martyrs Church, Manhattan Beach, ordained to the priesthood in 1961.

---Msgr. James Loughnane, pastor of St. Denis Church, Diamond Bar, ordained to the priesthood in 1961.

---Msgr. Lloyd Torgerson, pastor of St. Monica Church, Santa Monica, ordained to the priesthood in 1965.

---Msgr. Royale Vadakin, archdiocesan Vicar General and Moderator of the Curia, ordained to the priesthood in 1964.

Named Chaplains of His Holiness (with their year of ordination in parentheses) are:

---Msgr. Joseph Brennan (1980), pastor of Holy Trinity Church, San Pedro.

---Msgr. Charles Chaffman (1984), archdiocesan Judicial Vicar.

---Msgr. Jarlath Cunnane (1977), pastor of St. Thomas the Apostle Church, Los Angeles.

---Msgr. John Foley (1959), pastor of Holy Redeemer Church, Montrose.

---Msgr. Robert Gallagher (1973), pastor of St. Charles Borromeo Church, North Hollywood.

---Msgr. Michael Jennett (1974), pastor of San Roque Church, Santa Barbara.

---Msgr. Timothy Nichols (1973), pastor of St. John Vianney Church, Hacienda Heights.

---Msgr. John O'Byrne (1961), pastor of St. Catherine Laboure Church, Torrance.

---Msgr. Benigno Rodriguez (1966), pastor of Presentation of Mary Church, South Los Angeles.

---Msgr. Jerome Schmit (1957), retired pastor of Sacred Heart Church, Altadena.

---Msgr. Michael Slattery (1962), pastor of Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha Church, Santa Clarita.

---Msgr. Thomas Welbers (1968), pastor of Our Lady of the Assumption Church, Claremont.

---Msgr. John Woolway (1980), pastor of Our Lady of Perpetual Help Church, Los Nietos.

Order of St. Gregory

The Order of St. Gregory was instituted in 1831 by Pope Gregory XVI and is presented for loyalty and service to the Holy See.

Knight Commanders: Robert Ahmanson, Christopher Alders, Joseph Brown, Stanley Chambers, Michael Feeley, Michael Hennigan, Michael Joseph, Gary Krauss, Thomas Larkin, Allen Lund, Charles Norman, Thomas Romano, Hilmar Rosenast, Edward Roski, Timothy Smith, Clyde Von der Ahe and William Wardlaw.

Dame Commanders: Kathleen Aikenhead, Margaret Auth, Vivian Burgess, Jane Castruccio, Michele Crahan, Lois Erburu, Maude Ferry, Norma Gonzales, Maria Grant, Therese Grojean, Marjorie Illig, Margaret Jagels, Frances Morehart, Patricia Paumier, Joan Payden and Patricia Smith.

Knight Commanders with Star: Robert Erburu, Stanley Hayden and Robert A. Smith, III.

Dame Commanders with Star: Helen Close and Dorothy Shea.

Pro Ecclesia Et Pontifice Award

This honor ("For the Church and the Holy Father") recognizes the commitment of men and women and their service to the ecclesial community.

Vincent Paul Adams, St. Jude, Westlake Village; Ruby Aklamakpe, St. Agatha, Los Angeles; Betty Bavario, Padre Serra, Camarillo; Ramona Bravo, Holy Cross, Moorpark; Marjorie Brown, St. Ferdinand, San Fernando; Harold "Fritz" Cahill, St. Raphael, Goleta; Jane Carlson, St. Bartholomew, Long Beach.

Doris Carver, St. Monica, Santa Monica; Ida Coleman, Nativity, Los Angeles; Sister Eileen Connors, CSJ, Mary Star Of The Sea, San Pedro; Oswald Da Ros, Our Lady of Sorrows, Santa Barbara; Benny Faretta, Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha, Santa Clarita; Margaret Fusek, St. Charles Borromeo, North Hollywood; Daniel Gomez, Ss. Peter and Paul, Wilmington.

Brother Paulinus Horkan, OSF, Our Lady of the Assumption, Ventura; Cecilia Kwolek, St. Mary Magdalen, Camarillo; Ted Landreth, St. Victor, West Hollywood; Robert Lass, St. Brendan, Los Angeles; Eileen Loughran, St. John Fisher, Rancho Palos Verdes; Ken and Peggy Martinet, St. Bede the Venerable, La Canada.

Sister Patricia McGahan, SSL, Corpus Christi, Pacific Palisades; Clifford Palacio, St. Michael, Los Angeles; Patty Paumier, Santa Clara, Oxnard; Oscar Pratt, Transfiguration, Los Angeles; Norman Roberts, St. Mel, Woodland Hills; Lucia Russo, Incarnation, Glendale; James Teutimez, St. Anne, Santa Monica; Clyde Von Der Ahe, Christ the King, Los Angeles.

Benemerenti Award

This papal honor (for "serving with distinction") is given to those who have shown exemplary service to their church, family and community.

Isolde Gabrielle Amadeah, St. Catherine Laboure, Torrance; Juan Antonio Arias, St. Thomas the Apostle, Los Angeles; Julia and Roy Asmus, St. Gertrude, Bell Gardens; Janet and Ross Bacica, Mary Star of The Sea, San Pedro; Jesus and Guadalupe Baez, Cristo Rey, Los Angeles; John and Alice Beck, St. Ferdinand, San Fernando.

James Bernard, St. Eugene, Los Angeles; Ida Rita Borgatello, Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Santa Barbara; Laura Victoria Borgatello, Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Santa Barbara; Ada Maria Braden, Santa Clara, Oxnard; Francis Bradisich, St. Michael, Los Angeles; Luisa Brennan, St. Jude, Westlake Village; Anne Brophy, St. Maximilian Kolbe, Westlake Village; Ken Buckowski, St. Bede the Venerable, La Canada; Richard R. Bungarden, St. James, Redondo Beach.

Rojelio Cadena, St. Anne, Santa Monica; Frank Capone, St. Jerome, Los Angeles; Rosario Casillas, St. Frances X. Cabrini, Los Angeles; Mary Joyce Cellner, St. Bernardine of Siena, Woodland Hills; John Collins, Holy Cross, Moorpark; Gail Cooper, St. John Fisher, Rancho Palos Verdes; Joseph Cormier, St. Michael, Los Angeles; Ted Coss, Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Santa Clarita; Sister Marta Ann Cota, CSJ, St. Brendan, Los Angeles; Irene D'auria, St. John Eudes, Chatsworth.

Luigi Dal Ponte, St. Bernard, Los Angeles; Gregory Davies, Our Lady of Lourdes, Northridge; Jean Davis, St. Lucy, Long Beach; Nancy Daws, Our Lady of Lourdes, Northridge; Ferdinand Dejan, Transfiguration, Los Angeles; Sarah Denk, St. Joseph The Worker, Canoga Park; Richard Dixon, St. Francis Xavier, Burbank; Lorraine Duperon, St. Agatha, Los Angeles; Edward Ehren, Holy Cross, Moorpark; Ann Ellison, St. Eugene, Los Angeles.

Tomas Escobedo, St. Columbkille, Los Angeles; Mary Lou Etzel, Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha, Santa Clarita; Elizabeth Fan, St. Denis, Diamond Bar; Rose Fefie, Nativity, Los Angeles; Mary Ann Fell, St. Bede the Venerable, La Canada; Christina Fernandez?Caso, St. Teresa of Avila, Los Angeles; Sister Mary Jean Ferry, BVM, St. Camillus Center, Los Angeles; Jose Frias, Epiphany, South El Monte; Anthony Joseph Frumento, St. Thomas Aquinas, Monterey Park; Robert Funari, St. Mel, Woodland Hills.

Molly Gaines, St. John Eudes, Chatsworth; Carol Gallion, St. Joan of Arc, Los Angeles; Wilhelmina Garcia, Our Lady of Sorrows, Santa Barbara; Millie Garretson, American Martyrs, Manhattan Beach; John Garvey, St. Catherine of Siena, Reseda; Ron Gellenbeck, St. Julie Billiart, Newbury Park; Gertrude Gesing, St. Anne, Santa Monica; Michelle Gonsalves, St. Frances X. Cabrini, Los Angeles; Kathleen Farrell Gorze, St. Catherine Laboure, Torrance; James Graham, St. Maximilian Kolbe, Westlake Village.

Sister Angela Hallahan, CHF, St. Victor, West Hollywood; Sister Dora Hauchecorne, ICM, St. Camillus Center, Los Angeles; Pauline Frances McBride Healy, St. Paul of the Cross, La Mirada; William Heinen, SS. Felicitas And Perpetua, San Marino; Georgianna Higson, Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Downey; Harold Hill, St. Dorothy, Glendora; William Hood, St. Jerome, Los Angeles; Susan Jakel, St. Charles Borromeo, North Hollywood; Thomas Jamison, St. Thomas Aquinas, Ojai; Begnedicta Jimenez, St. Michael, Los Angeles.

Lee and Margaret Johnson, San Buenventura Mission, Ventura; Frank and Trudy Kaun, Holy Family, Glendale; Rosemarie Kelley, American Martyrs, Manhattan Beach; Lucille Kerecman, St. Bernardine of Siena, Woodland Hills; Betty Keyes, St. Camillus Center, Los Angeles; Neil and Pam Kingsley, Padre Serra, Camarillo; Sister Mary Margaret Kreuper, CSJ, St. James, Redondo Beach.

Sylvia Lackey, St. Columbkille, Los Angeles; Christine Ladesich, Corpus Christi, Pacific Palisades; Peter and Teresa Lago, Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Downey; Arline Laporte, St. Jude, Westlake Village; I?Ming Philip Liu, St. Thomas Aquinas, Monterey Park; Elizabeth Mary Loll, St. Mary Magdalen, Camarillo; Antonio Lopez, Nativity, Los Angeles; Rafael Lopez, St. Philip Neri, Lynwood; Claire Loughlin, St. Francis De Sales, Sherman Oaks.

Josefina Lozano, St. Joseph the Worker, Canoga Park; Bill and Marie Madden, St. Francis De Sales, Sherman Oaks; Beatrice Mahoney, Our Lady of the Assumption, Ventura; Ellie Martin, Holy Redeemer, Montrose; Bonnie McGovern, Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha, Santa Clarita; William McKenna, St. Victor, West Hollywood; Larry and Mary McLaughlin, St. Bartholomew, Long Beach; Mona Mitchell, Incarnation, Glendale.

Frank Modica, St. Helen, South Gate; Chuck Montag, St. Thomas Aquinas, Ojai; Dorothy Moorman, St. Anastasia, Los Angeles; Patricia and Thomas Moran, St. Maria Goretti, Long Beach; Dave Murphy, Padre Serra, Camarillo; Rita Najoan, St. Genevieve, Panorama City; George Newburn, American Martyrs, Manhattan Beach; Patricia and Samuel Nicholson, St. James the Less, La Crescenta.

Jane Owens, Holy Cross, Santa Barbara; Vern Pritchard, St. Joan Of Arc, Los Angeles; Felix Ramos, Epiphany, South El Monte; Rita Recker, St. Francis Xavier, Burbank; Louis Maria Ritchie, All Saints, Los Angeles; Howard Ritt, St. Jerome, Los Angeles; Miguel Rocha, SS. Peter And Paul, Wilmington; Esther Ronen, SS. Peter ad Paul, Wilmington; Maria Del Refugio Rosas, St. Philip Neri, Lynwood; Mary Rosenast, Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Santa Clarita.

Judy Roussey, Santa Clara, Oxnard; Juanita Rubalcava, St. Agatha, Los Angeles; Christina Marie Salsameda, St. Mariana De Paredes, Pico Rivera; Christopher Sandner, Our Lady of Sorrows, Santa Barbara; Joan and Richard Santos, St. Bernard, Los Angeles; Raymond Screbant, St. Mel, Woodland Hills; Harry Secky, Our Lady of Lourdes, Northridge; Connie Siordia, St. Helen, South Gate; Edith Skeehan, Holy Redeemer, Montrose.

Hugh T. "Bud" Smith, St. Catherine o Alexandria, Avalon; Mablene Smith, Transfiguration, Los Angeles; Marie (Vidulich) Smith, St. Catherine of Alexandria, Avalon; Betty L. Swoboda, St. Bernard, Los Angeles; Jose and Enriqueta Torres, Cristo Rey, Los Angeles; Lucie Traxler, St. John Fisher, Rancho Palos Verdes; Diane Underwood, SS. Felicitas and Perpetua, San Marino; Susan Valdez, Our Lady of Lourdes, Tujunga; Carlos Valenzuela, St. Raphael, Goleta.

Lewis and Lydia Valenzuela, Holy Cross, Santa Barbara; Salome Vasquez, St. Teresa o Avila, Los Angeles; Herman Villoria, St. Lawrence Martyr, Redondo Beach; Frank Wagner, Corpus Christi, Pacific Palisades; Elizabeth Wells, St. Genevieve, Panorama City; George Wilkerson, St. Anastasia, Los Angeles; Patti Williams, American Martyrs, Manhattan Beach; Pam Wollonciej, Our Lady of Lourdes, Tujunga; Frank Zugelter, St. Charles Borromeo, North Hollywood.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholics; mahoney
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1 posted on 12/09/2005 9:42:26 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Over at his WITL blog, Rocco Palmo has rung in with this glowing assessment. Guess it "takes one, to know one".

Purple Monsoon

The Hissing Chorus of Consistent Mahony-hate -- who, inexplicably, are always with us -- has been conspicuously silent on a very interesting development in the City of Angels. The Rog has gone all out.

In his goodness, Benedict XVI has deigned to shower an unprecedented monsoon of papal honors on the archdiocese of Los Angeles. Being from Philadelphia -- where making Purple Rain every third year is a crucial element of our ecclesiastical stock in trade -- I have never seen an honors list the size of what LA just got. It is, simply put, HUGE, and if it's not a sign of the Holy See's confidence in Mahony, I don't know what is.

At the Cardinal's behest, seventeen monsignors have either been created or promoted, which is fairly typical by mega-diocese standards. But where it gets amazing is that over 200 laypeople have been given a Vatican gong of some sort, with a stunning 150 alone being given the Benemerenti medal, the entry-level lay award. As a tribute tax must be paid to the Holy See in gratitude for its conferral of each honor, this list will be a fiscal boon in Rome.

And some dare presume that Papa Bear is frowning upon the nation's largest diocese.... Well, that Rome has heard the Rog loud and clear on this one sure takes some wind out of that argument's sails, no? (Hence no comment from the Mahony-haters.)

In the judgment of the Holy See, it seems, there's a lot in Los Angeles Catholicism worth honoring.... Yet another signal to the anti-Mahony crowd to get up to speed and back to communion.


2 posted on 12/09/2005 9:43:55 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer
In the judgment of the Holy See, it seems, there's a lot in Los Angeles Catholicism worth honoring.... Yet another signal to the anti-Mahony crowd to get up to speed and back to communion.

What is your take (if any) on this move?

3 posted on 12/09/2005 9:48:56 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: NYer
I have never seen an honors list the size of what LA just got.

Uhhh...maybe that's because the L.A. archdiocese is nearly four times the population of Philadelphia. Y'think?

4 posted on 12/09/2005 9:50:39 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: NYer

**Pope Benedict XVI has accorded the papal honor of Protonotary Apostolic to four priests of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and the title of Monsignor to 13 others.**

Getting ready for some new bishops????


5 posted on 12/09/2005 9:51:36 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

**At the Cardinal's behest**

Hmmmm.


6 posted on 12/09/2005 9:52:44 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
(Hence no comment from the Mahony-haters.)

Here's one...what if the extra "attention" is not any kind of endorsement at all, but rather a way for Rome to influence the next generation of church leaders in LA?

Just a thought...and hey Rocco, nobody hates Mahony. We just think he's a terrible bishop, a modernist flirt, has an architectural Philistine, and we all hope he's deposed.

7 posted on 12/09/2005 9:55:03 AM PST by Claud
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To: Salvation
**At the Cardinal's behest**

What's the evidence of that? Maybe this is a case of when they're running you out of town, get out in front and act like it's a parade.

We could really use some info on some of these appointments.

8 posted on 12/09/2005 9:57:19 AM PST by Claud
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To: NYer
Rather that just ass-u-me-ing (as Rocco does) that all the priests honoured are Mahony-clones, and that their parishes are clones of Rog's cathedral parish, let's have a look:

American Martyrs

St. Denis

St. Monica

Holy Trinity

Somebody else carry on ... I haven't time. Holy Trinity Parish looks bad ..."Zen Interfaith Retreat"????? The other three I didn't see an obvious problem.

9 posted on 12/09/2005 9:58:04 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: gubamyster
What is your take (if any) on this move?

None. I'm not from LA and without knowing anything about these priests, am utterly clueless to assess the situation. Mahony has no fans here in this forum.

10 posted on 12/09/2005 9:59:53 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: Claud
Just a thought

And a good one at that!

nobody hates Mahony. We just think he's a terrible bishop, a modernist flirt, has an architectural Philistine, and we all hope he's deposed.

Along with a few other US bishops who should be strung from the rafters.

11 posted on 12/09/2005 10:03:07 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: gubamyster
These are largely meaningless honorifics that often have more to do with politicking than anything else.

When Msgr. Ronald Knox was raised to the dignity of being a Protonotary Apostolic (back in the 1920s), he wrote a spoof of a Gilbert and Sullivan tune which he entitled: "I Am The Very Model Of An Apostolic Protonotary."

12 posted on 12/09/2005 10:05:01 AM PST by wideawake
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To: ArrogantBustard
The other three I didn't see an obvious problem.

Thanks for posting those links!!

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Come and join us as we walk this comtemplative and winding path of the LABYRINTH led by Linda Schultz MA

Thursday, December 15, 7:30 pm
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A brief explanation on the Spiritualy of the Labryinth will be presented in our St. Brigid and St. Brendan Room as part of the evening experience.
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Someone should let the WEBMASTER know how to spell labyrinth.

13 posted on 12/09/2005 10:12:05 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: wideawake
These are largely meaningless honorifics that often have more to do with politicking than anything else.

That's the part that I was interested in. Is this move, as the blogger suggests, a vote of confidence for Mahony or merely wishful thinking by the blogger.

14 posted on 12/09/2005 10:12:08 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: NYer
Gaaaak! Howintheheck did I miss THAT?

1) It's being led by a female who is

2) bragging about her master's degree.

I wonder ... in what discipline does she hold that degree, and where she got it?

15 posted on 12/09/2005 10:14:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
The Knights of Columbus are conspicuous by their absence in these parishes.

That's usually a bad sign.

16 posted on 12/09/2005 10:18:06 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
For an archdiocese that has ca. 3 million Catholics, this is not at all unprecedented. LA is the largest archdiocese in the country so one must assume there are some good Catholics residing there, despite the best efforts of their Cardinal.

And let's get one thing straight--nobody *hates* Cardinal Mahoney. Many of us feel that he's been an absolute failure as a bishop in the largest archdiocese in America. The number of vocations in his archdiocese is pathetic. He's got a sex abuse scandal brewing that will make Boston look like a tea-party. And his response to the Vatican's latest pronouncement on homosexuals in the priesthood was to say: "This will not change how we do business in LA."

If anything, Cardinal Mahoney needs more prayers than your average bishop.

In my opinion, the Vatican knows full well what kind of bishop Mahoney is, but is content to make nice with him until his retirement--which, sadly, is still a decade away. Picking a fight with him, absent a serious theological or moral problem, is probably seen as counterproductive. Either that, or Archbishop Levada, who has the Pope's ear, has told him that the simmering sex abuse scandal in LA will soon require a one-way ticket to Rome for his emminenece. I hear Cardinal Law needs a roommate.
17 posted on 12/09/2005 10:18:18 AM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Rick Santorum)
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To: gubamyster
Wishful thinking. Hundreds of other dioceses worldwide will receive similar awards of honorifics in their dioceses.

So many were given in Mahony's diocese because the Greater Los Angeles area has more Catholics than any other US urban center.

18 posted on 12/09/2005 10:23:21 AM PST by wideawake
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To: NYer
Pure Mahony.

This is his gong list. The Vatican side is just a rubber stamp, a little like the secular Queen's honors list which comes out a couple of times a year in the UK. "Sir Elton John........Sir Mick Jagger......etc". The Pope has no idea who Charlie Smirk from Manhattan Beach might happen to be.

Rocco is way off the mark. This is the Mahony PR machine in top gear. It's his way of playing the sugar daddy and handing out the candy when diocesan morale may be a little low. The Archdiocese is currently under siege over the records of clerical molesters. Surely just a coincidence!

Toss a few bones to the dogs. That'll keep 'em happy.

19 posted on 12/09/2005 10:24:29 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: ArrogantBustard; AlaninSA; Frank Sheed
The Knights of Columbus are conspicuous by their absence in these parishes.

Interesting observation!

20 posted on 12/09/2005 10:30:36 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer
I don't know much about these appointments, but I know the biggest batch of monsingnorships (if that's a word) bestowed upon our clergy in Philly came right before Bevilacqua retired. It was his parting gift to many of his priests, including my own pastor. I'm fairly certain in Philly a pastor Monsignor is paid more than a pastor Father.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I'm going to look at this as really good news - it could be Mahoney's fine parting gift to many of his flock.

21 posted on 12/09/2005 10:41:35 AM PST by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Zen Interfaith Retreat"?????

Ugh.

22 posted on 12/09/2005 10:50:48 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: NYer

Geez. The lack of Catholicism in Los Angeles Diocese is an objective fact. 11 1/4 million residents, 4.35 million Catholics, and 288 parishes in just three counties. And they still rely on religious (i.e., likely from out of the diocese) to cover 69 parishes and have not priest for 38 parishes.

And how many diocesan ordinations were there? just six.


23 posted on 12/09/2005 12:23:26 PM PST by dangus
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To: gubamyster

My take is simple: keep your friends close but your enemies closer! (with all due apologies to Our glorious Holy Father and to the screenwriters of The Godfather). Let's see if a hammer is not in the offing.

F


24 posted on 12/09/2005 12:25:08 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." ~GK Chesterton.)
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To: old and tired

You are an astute observer. I think I like the way you think.

F


25 posted on 12/09/2005 12:30:04 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." ~GK Chesterton.)
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To: Antoninus; NYer

"In my opinion, the Vatican knows full well what kind of bishop Mahoney is, but is content to make nice with him until his retirement--which, sadly, is still a decade away"




Actually, Mahony will turn 75 on February 27, 2011.

So we should be rid of him in just over 5 years, God willing.


26 posted on 12/09/2005 1:04:54 PM PST by Deo volente
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To: NYer
I was in Rome in November and was with a small group which had a private audience with Cardinal Arinze. After he spoke with us, his secretary, a monsignor, spent some time with us and he gave the definite impression that they were not happy with Mahony's antics but not much could be done because of collegiality.
27 posted on 12/09/2005 4:40:33 PM PST by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: wideawake
When Msgr. Ronald Knox was raised to the dignity of being a Protonotary Apostolic (back in the 1920s), he wrote a spoof of a Gilbert and Sullivan tune which he entitled: "I Am The Very Model Of An Apostolic Protonotary."
I’m the sort of man they make an Apostolic Protonotary –
I’ve written reams and reams of prose, and quite a lot of poetry:
To walk on garden-rollers is among my minor glories,
And I used to be prevailed upon to write detective stories;
I can also punt canoes (or, as they say in Greenland) kayaks,
And had quite a flair at one time for composing elegiacs;
I can look up trains in Bradshaw*, on occasions locomotory,
As undoubtedly becomes an Apostolic Protonotary.


In short, when I’ve unravelled all the complicated mystery,
About what the Holy Office does, the Rota, the Consistory;
When I’ve studied more theology, and don’t get quite so drowsy on
Attending learned lectures which discuss the Homoousion;
When I’ve somehow put behind me (with my poor command of French) a list,
Of authors whose philosophy is known as Existentialist,
When my learning on a multitude of themes is less bucolic –
There’s ne’er a Protonotary will be so Apostolic.

28 posted on 12/09/2005 5:50:58 PM PST by gbcdoj (Let us ask the Lord with tears, that according to his will so he would shew his mercy to us Jud 8:17)
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To: NYer; onyx; GipperGal

Team-'fession PING!


29 posted on 12/09/2005 6:22:08 PM PST by kstewskis ("Go to your room!"....Dan Rowan to Dick Martin)
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To: NYer

Oooh! 13 monsignors! He must luuuuuv Los Angeles.

Talk about ridiculous! I did some research. The last diocese he made monsignors for was La Crosse, Wisconsin. He made 8 monsignors. That's about TEN TIMES more monsignors per Catholic resident than in Los Angeles.

He also recently made 13 monsignors in Detroit, which is hardly a thriving archdiocese. But it does have only one-third the Catholic population that Los Angeles does.

We know what the Pope REEEEAALLY looks at as a sign of divine favor is ordinations. If a diocese, movement, or order is doing something right, the logic goes, the Holy Spirit will call many people to the priesthood through it.

So how many priests were ordained last year of the 4.35 million in Los Angeles, the largest diocese in America, and one of the largest in the world? A whopping six.

Chicago, with a population of about half, 2.42 million, tied for the lead in the United States with 16. The other diocese it tied with? Lowly St. Paul, Minnesota, which had 16 ordinations among only 730,000 Catholics. Yet even St. Paul would be humbled (well, St. Paul, the city, anyway) by Denver, which ordained 14. Denver's population is only 344,000. And dozens of others from other diocese also were ordained after graduating from Denver's seminary.

I searched the internet for the number of seminarians from each of the largest diocese. Since they publicize larger classes more, I tried not to let that affect my results, but I picked the most recent year for which data was available. If I couldn't get reliable statistics, I skipped counting the diocese. I ended up excluding 4. Usually, only diocesan priests (who are most of the nations' preists) were counted, but it's possible that one or two of my sources included religious priests.

The ten largest dioceses (7 of them being archdiocese) ordaining 73 priests. The next ten largest dioceses graduated 44. What's remarkable is that these diocese were only about included only about half the total number of Catholics, and 30 of the 73 priests from the largest diocese had come from just two dioceses.

The *next* 10 largest diocese actually ordained still *more* priests, a total of 47! And I quit researching after that, but considering how Arlington, Denver and Sacramento I believe are in the next 10 largest dioceses (#s 31-40, if you're having trouble keeping track), the number might well be still higher.


30 posted on 12/09/2005 7:13:11 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Ick I botched a paragraph pretty bad. Here's what I MEANT to say

The ten largest dioceses (7 of them being archdiocese) ordaining 73 priests. The next ten largest dioceses graduated 44. What's remarkable is that these dioceses included only about half the number of Catholics as the 10 largest dioceses; and 30 of the 73 priests from the largest dioceses had come from just two of them.


31 posted on 12/09/2005 7:15:25 PM PST by dangus
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To: kstewskis; GipperGal

What have we done now...lol?


32 posted on 12/09/2005 7:41:11 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: dangus
So how many priests were ordained last year of the 4.35 million in Los Angeles, the largest diocese in America, and one of the largest in the world? A whopping six.

You are good!!! Great statistics and analysis. Thank you for making the time to do this.

33 posted on 12/09/2005 7:41:56 PM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer; Salvation

"Over at his WITL blog, Rocco Palmo has rung in with this glowing assessment."

I guess it would be in poor taste for LA Roman Catholics to dedicate their Canon 32-1 letters to him.


34 posted on 12/10/2005 5:39:40 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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