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The purpose-driven pastor (Rick Warren calls Christian fundamentalists an enemy)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Jan. 08, 2006 | Paul Nussbaum

Posted on 01/10/2006 10:06:56 AM PST by Terriergal

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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
First of all, my spelling of apostasy is the correct one.

Gee, and I was told by somebody that nobody is accusing Rick Warren of apostasy.

You must be nobody.

241 posted on 01/10/2006 8:44:43 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: RnMomof7

Hey Mom, good to see you again. I just bought The MacArthur Study Bible and all I can say is "wow".


242 posted on 01/10/2006 8:45:13 PM PST by buckeyesrule
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To: P-Marlowe
If your posts are any indication of your legal mind, I hope you are retired.

I realize you think you know it all, but why not give a serious Bible study a whirl. You may surprise yourself and see what some of us are talking about.

BTW, that wonderful minister, Warren, says (sarcastically) that "all we need is another Bible study". Mighty peculiar to most of us that know one could study the Bible forever and never stop learning.

243 posted on 01/10/2006 8:54:36 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I don't pretend to judge Rick Warren's heart but I can judge what he does with God's Holy Word. When Biblical truth is forfeited for man's benefit and man willingly drives the faithful away for not adhering to the untruth, apostasy is alive and well and rearing its ugly head.

I just checked and it appears tht the last time you even quoted one single verse of God's Holy Word to back up anything you have said on this forum was November 22, 2004

That being said, I'd have to conclude that H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y is alive and well and rearing it's ugly head.

244 posted on 01/10/2006 8:59:57 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Terriergal

Just what we need. An evangelical proponent of socialist liberation theology. This is the same dry hole Jummy Carter ended up at.


245 posted on 01/10/2006 9:03:41 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: blue-duncan
"What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of less than 80?" Your honor!"

Exhibit 1: Federal Judge John E. Jones, Dover PA.

246 posted on 01/10/2006 9:07:47 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Terriergal
But, powerful as churches can be in working for the powerless, they can't succeed without governments and nongovernmental organizations, Warren said.

He really lost me here. I totally disagree with him. Christ will built HIS church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. We don't NEED the government's help.

247 posted on 01/10/2006 9:08:31 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: P-Marlowe
You are making a lot of effort. What's wrong....are you frustrated?

You cite a post that is consistent with anything I've said here and call it hypocrisy???? I won't speculate on what may be causing your confusion.

If you are implying that I don't post frequently, you are more pathetic than I thought. Unlike a few Freepers, I don't live here; only visit from time to time.

248 posted on 01/10/2006 9:10:36 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Terriergal

The title of this is very misleading.

The man is right on in several areas:

A. He's right, Christianity shouldn't be associated with only one party or the other. While I feel that the Republican party is the most consistent with the teachings I find in the Bible, they aren't always right, and besides, saving souls always needs to be the first priority.

B. He's 100% right about poverty, AIDS, homlessness, orphans and the like. In my view, the government intervention is in large part the unpaid dues of the church, which should be leading more on these issues. Of course, there is a reverse effect, in that some of the reason the church isn't leading on these things like they should is because of the government, but there can be no doubt that far too often the Church has not lived up to it's responsibility on these things. Faith based initiative? Fine, but we can't wait for it, we need to start on it now.



249 posted on 01/10/2006 9:13:43 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Terriergal

Hey, so far this has been a refreshingly civil thread. I've seen how nasty threads can get when someone feels their religious views are being attacked so thanks to everyone who has so far exhibited Christian charity. Thanks for the post; it helps those of us who are not familiar with the guy.


250 posted on 01/10/2006 9:18:10 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Spoke too soon.


251 posted on 01/10/2006 9:42:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Terriergal

Pulp Fiction


252 posted on 01/10/2006 9:48:36 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: metmom
Spoke too soon.

Feel free to lighten up the place with a lawyer joke or two.

253 posted on 01/10/2006 10:05:03 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

I am sure Warren was not referring to the fundamentals of the faith when he made reference to fundamentalists. He was likely referring to people like Pat Robertson. If so, Warren is correct to criticize those like Robertson.


254 posted on 01/10/2006 11:18:47 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: subterfuge
Interesting. Why do you suppose so many churches are following him then? Mine did and I really didn't see the harm in it. Exactly what is the crux of his misgivings related to Christianinty? I've read a lot of conjecture here but no one is making a really good point. Just a lot of nit-picking at various interpretations of what he said, or meant.

there are a few people on this thread who think Billy Graham preaches a false Gospel, so one whould not be surprised at the attacks on Rick Warren. He's not exactly a professor at a high brow seminary, so why should anyone expect him not to preach the gospel in a manner that is effective with the vast majority of the people who hear it.

255 posted on 01/10/2006 11:33:37 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
If so, Warren is correct to criticize those like Robertson.

It's better to just ignore him than to take a shot at him... and miss. The collateral damage from this pot shot might come back to haunt Mr. Warren. A lot of people who number themselves among the fundamentalists have been Warren supporters.

256 posted on 01/10/2006 11:36:57 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Full Court

Links don't work. Maybe it is God's way of saying David Cloud is a nut case.


257 posted on 01/10/2006 11:49:32 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: P-Marlowe
I have no doubt the Rick Warren believe and preaches the fundamentals of the Christian faith. I suspect that when he used the term fundamentalists in the manner for which he is being criticized, he had in mind a caricature of fundamental Christians. You know the kind; the anti dancing, drinking, having fun, movies, etc. types who insist that only overly modest dress is appropriate and that sex within marriage is only for procreation types. Also includes thos who think every event that occurs is the result of god's direct will. They do exist, and that is the type of fundamentalist about whom I think Warren is referring.
258 posted on 01/10/2006 11:57:09 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; walden; ClearCase_guy; blue-duncan; jude24

I don't know if this story is actually true or not, but it was reported that the former CJ of the USSC Rhenquist attended a rather large symposium attended by a large number of prominent attorneys and CEOs of large corporations. His opening remark was reported to be as follows:

"It is an honor for me to speak before such a large and imporatant organization, as I have done in the past. during my previous speach before this organization, I opened with a few lawyer jokes. This time, I will resist the temptation to do so again. The last time, the attorneys didn't appreciate them as being funny at all; and the business executives didn't think they were jokes."


259 posted on 01/11/2006 12:12:20 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
If adhering to those five tenants makes one a fundamentalist, I guess I are one....
260 posted on 01/11/2006 1:15:28 AM PST by Gamecock (..ours is a trivial age, and the church has been deeply affected by this pervasive triviality. JMB)
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