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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Out *where*, Marlowe, since you seem to know so much about me

Imagine yourself as an unsaved and uninformed and naieve agnostic that does not know a word of Christian lingo and who has been invited to a church located in a cornfield 20 miles from civilization. You haven't been in a church since you were knee high to a grasshopper, maybe not at all.

You go into the old wooden church building and are met by a bunch of solemn faces who look at you like you are some outsider. You look around at the altar and above the altar you see some kind of tub and you have no idea why they would have a tub in a church. You take your seat. Then the service begins with these formerly solemn faced people erupting into a wide eyed and joyous chorus of "There's a fountain filled with blood." Some of the children tug on their parents' arms and point at you, the stranger in their midst.

Now honestly wouldn't that send chills up your spine?

269 posted on 01/11/2006 6:05:25 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

Well, you certainly haven't described my church in the least, but I do thank you for proving me right.

You've placed feelings and environment as stronger than the Word of God.

Emotions don't save, old wood doesn't save, pop-christian music doesn't save, being in the right environment doesn't save. Only Christ saves, and He's not beholden to any method other than the sound preaching of His Word. "Faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."

Isaiah 55:10-11:

"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven
and do not return there but water the earth,
making it bring forth and sprout,
giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it."

Christians aren't responsible for the comfortable feelings of newcomers, they're responsible for the sound preaching of God's word.

That being said, I think you'd be hard pressed to find true believers who are not welcoming to newcomers. The love of Christ being in us, we understand fully well the condition of the unsaved, and we are joyed when someone is drawn into fellowship with us.

God's sovereignty. Obviously that person is attending that morning for a reason. God has drawn them that morning according to His good pleasure. Why would any believer NOT be happy about that?

You seem to have a pretty dour misconception of anyone who's not party of the Happy Clappy set. Have you used the phrase "The Frozen Chosen" within the last month? :-)


270 posted on 01/11/2006 6:17:14 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: P-Marlowe

Oh, and you still haven't told me *where* I should get out to.


271 posted on 01/11/2006 6:18:44 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: P-Marlowe; ItsOurTimeNow
You go into the old wooden church building and are met by a bunch of solemn faces who look at you like you are some outsider. You look around at the altar and above the altar you see some kind of tub and you have no idea why they would have a tub in a church. You take your seat.

Conversely, you are spiritually bankrupt. You just know that you are broken and don't know how to go about fixing yourself. You venture into a modern "worship facility" and are bombarded with flashing lights and everyone worked into a frenzy singing the umpteenth go-round of the latest market driven happy clappy praise chant. This totally clashes with what you are feeling. This is not where you are, you stumble out in a confused daze.... How is that any different from your scenario?

272 posted on 01/11/2006 6:41:00 AM PST by Gamecock (..ours is a trivial age, and the church has been deeply affected by this pervasive triviality. JMB)
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