Vatican Storylines: Those Who Are Resisting Benedict XVI

Chiesa ^ | January 19, 2006 | Sandro Magister

[trisham]

LOL!

[Tax-chick]

The twinkle in his eye suggests to me that Pope Benedict would be amused by Laz, even if he couldn't admit it :-).

[trisham]

The twinkle in his eye suggests to me that Pope Benedict would be amused by Laz, even if he couldn't admit it :-).

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It wouldn't surprise me a bit. :)

[BlackElk]

Although Jefferson Davis is not known to be a Catholic but rather an Episcopalian IIRC, he was sent by his parents from Mississippi to Kentucky for a Dominican grade school Catholic education. Also, there was a wonderful mutual respect between Pope (soon to be saint) Pius IX (commonly known by the greatest papal name of them all: Pio NoNo) and Jeferson Davis. Pio NoNo fashioned a crown of thorns with his on hands and sent it to the imprisoned President of the Confederacy as a show of support. The Vatican was, I believe, the only European nation to maintain diplomatic relations with the Confederacy. Pio NoNo was by the time of the late unpleasantness of the Northern invasion of the Confederacy a very conservatve fellow and pope. To write to him, Jefferson Davis would have had to abandon one of the two essentials of Southern dialect: y'all (the other being bidness for business) or to have learned to expres y'all in Latin.

Jeff Davis's letters to Pi NoNo would be the Ur text or even Rosetta Stone for the discovery of the future language of the Southland. As you know, at least some Southron Episcopalians are coming our way already. It is a very protective language as well since liberals are just constitutionally (they should pardon the expression) incapable of handling Latin.

[ELS]

The abbey sounds lovely, but still, it's a schola.

Which is still a schola? The nuns or the "choir" I am part of.

I wish more choirs around here would discover chant, but I'm afraid that if Adoro Te Devote scares them, an actual Mass would be terrifying.

The irony is that chant is easier than polyphony. Besides, after rehearsing and singing a particular ordinary for several weeks, it tends to become second nature.

[Diva]

"Now women will just be candlesticks on the altar!" ************ I must admit that attitudes such as this leave me speechless.

I can assure the entire table was speechless. : ) It was mostly guys who were more conservative and truely happy that Cardinal Ratzinger was Pope.

[Convert from ECUSA]

:)

[Convert from ECUSA]

:)))

[Convert from ECUSA]

:))) Pope Benedict is from Bavaria, which is Southern Germany........as for the ECUSA, neither Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee would recognize it, they would see it for the New Agey pagan-dominated looney bin it is. Same for C.S. Lewis, who warned about what we've seen in the ECUSA for the past 40 years in his writings; Lewis saw the first rumblings on the horizon. As you know, FR friend AnAmericanMother is one of those wonderful Southern Episcopalians (they way they used to make them before the ECUSA went all New Agey pagan) who crossed the Tiber.

[AnAmericanMother]

Well, did somebody stand up and fling a glass of water on her . . . with the excuse that she must have been feeling faint to say such a thing?

You gotta call these people out SOME time . . . when people in our parish start going soft on feminism, I blast them with the Awful Warning of the Episcopal Church. It's all one package - feminism, heterodoxy, and disobedience.

. . p.s. . . . I sing tenor too, and baritone in a pinch. But now that we have a GREAT men's section in the choir, I can stick to singing alto. Now we need to work on stopping the excessive vibrato in the soprano section . . . < rolls eyes >

[AnAmericanMother]

Howdy, or Hi, y'all!, or Servus, vos omnes!

Bavaria has more analogues with the Southern U.S. than you would think . . . I lived there for awhile, and it's my belief that the average rural Bayerischer Kerl is just a good ol' boy in Lederhosen. Proud, a little loud, appearing a little uncouth to the city-dweller, but competent, kind, generous and good-hearted. They don't have pickup trucks, and they're Catholic instead of Baptist or Church of God, but fundamentally and essentially they are brothers under the skin.

His Holiness is the small town boy who went to the city and made good, but never forgot his roots.

[Convert from ECUSA]

:))) So technically, we could call him the Southern Pope and get away with it! Kewl!

[AnAmericanMother]

I even speak German with a Southern accent . . . Southern Germany, that is.

People think I'm a native, because nobody would learn to speak German like that on purpose, would they? < g >

[Convert from ECUSA]

:))) Heeheehee! Imagine if Pope Benedict visited the US, gave a speech, and his bavarian-accented English had a distinct Tidewater-Virignia tone or a south Georgia drawl! With colorful expressions the way bornacatholic imagined a few comments ago up in the thread!

[AnAmericanMother]

I can just hear him now. ("Sorry, boys, but that dog won't hunt.")

[Diva]

The candlestick comment was just so "over the top" it took a moment for me to even realize what her point was. The other gal at the table, (and one of my students) started to laugh and said that candlesticks were pretty and she wouldn't mind being one. I agreed and then she turned on me and complained that I had no clue what it was like before Vatican II. Which is true because I didn't become a Catholic until the late 70s, but I have been to Tridentine Masses and I certainly felt very much like I was participating in the Mass. Prayer is a wonderful part of our participation but of course I never think to say these things when I'm in the midst of an awkward situation.

Sopranos and vibrato can be a real problem. If you sing demanding music with lots of high notes their voices just get tired and they tend to push the sound out. Someone needs to work with them to get them to lighten their sound, they should sing as if they are about 8 years old, it works!

[AnAmericanMother]

We've gotta bunch of old ladies and some Broadway types . . . the choirmaster is working as hard as he can!

(He's good - he's stopped me from tanking over everybody with my chest voice!)

[AnAmericanMother]

I wasn't officially a Catholic pre VCII, but I went to a lot of Masses . . . had a lot of Catholic friends, plus whenever we went to the Caribbean or Latin American during school holidays and there wasn't an Anglican church, my dad would fast-talk the local padre into letting us receive (he could sell walk-in freezers to Eskimos, my dad.) So I hung around then, and I LIKED it. It was like the High Anglican service, only in Latin . .. and I studied Latin so no problem (even though it was Classical and not Church).

(You can see why the transition from ECUSA to Catholic was not a big problem for me, and indeed was something of a relief. Should have done it years earlier, but I was worried about my ex-Methodist husband - then HE suggested it -- I had forgotten that his Mom was raised Catholic, she married a Methodist PK (Preacher's Kid).)