Posted on 02/02/2006 1:02:34 PM PST by Slugworth
csbyrnes84 Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 12
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: St. Anthony of Padua Chapel in West Orange, NJ....
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Hey,
Does anyone know what's going on at St. Anthonys? I heard that Fr. Perricone has been voted out of the chapel. Who is the priest now?
Archbishop Myers is away at the moment. For the present St. Anthony's is being staffed by two priest that were assisting Father Perricone until the Archbishop returns and can name a new pastor.
Built without the aid of the Diocese-supported by the Traditionalist with the late Fr. Wickens---now the Bishop comes in ...a day late and dollars short!!!!
Rest in peace Fr. Wickens and take care of those who are looking to you for guidance now!
God grant a priest as TRUE and Pious as Wickens to the TLM and Ordained the same-to St. Anthonys!
Too late...the damage has been done!
Father Perricone was removed by the Board of Directors
Fr. Perricone was removed by Archbishop Myers. It may have been after consulting with the board, but since Fr. Perricone is a priest of the archdiocese, the Archbishop was the one to remove him.
After a couple of hours and still no sign of the vans, the police were called. The police called the home of one of Father Perricone's groupies and ordered her to come back under threat of arrest. The 4-5 vans finally came back.
The groupies were called and asked to return or else the police would be called. When the vans returned to the chapel, the police were with them. It was one of the priests, not the police, that called another one of the groupies and asked her to return with the items she had or else he would call the police.
The point I was trying to make is that the police were called by Perricone and his groupies because they were "afraid" of the board. That is ridiculous given that they were the ones who had taken stuff from the chapel.
There are two priests who currently serve the chapel. One of them was there when this turn of events occurred.
You point out mere technicalities.
Perhaps, but I think of the game "Telephone." As each person passes along the message, it becomes increasingly inaccurate until it no longer resembles the actual facts. This saga is already circulating on at least three Web sites amidst much rumor and speculation by many who have not set foot in St. Anthony's in a long time if ever.
This sounds just like another priest that left another St Anthony's with the parish vestments after the Archbishop told him to leave.
"The 4-5 vans finally came back. As it so happens, Father Perricone was stealing St. Anthony of Padua Chapel property. In amongst the items that he had removed from the Chapel were three sets of vestments that he had charged the Chapel $24,000.00. The Chapel paid for these vestments, but Father Perricone was taking them with him anyway. Even at this time, there are still things missing"
I hope someone is filing criminal charges against this evil priest and his band of thieves.
I was thinking of you as I read this. I thought maybe Stravinskas had changed his name to "Perricone". ;)
Good to hear from you! I couldn't believe this when I read it since it sounded so familiar!
Ok well who is running the church at this point? Is anyone stationed at the church or is this yet to be decided?
There are two priests there right now. Father Forte, who's background I do not know, and Father Richard Munkelt. Father Munkelt was a part of the SSJ in PA. He is now one of the "star" witnesses in the abuse scandal surrounding the SSJ. He witnessed some things, but chose to stay silent until a few months AFTER he was ordained there.
The word is that Father Forte will be the new chaplain though there has been no formal announcement.
Ok well thats fine then. Fr. Forte is a good priest. He's from St. Lucy's in Newark and has been there for a while. St. Lucy's is probably the most conservative Novus Ordo church in the Newark Archdiocese. For example they still kneel at the rail for communion down at St. Lucy's
Sources very close to the original sources are almost ready to partially confirm that Cajetan Thietine will, in fact, be named the new pastor. A possible second choice is Albino Luciano. However, as he is already dead, he is seen as unlikely.
And the same was accused unto him. (Luke XVI. 1.)
The steward in the gospel was justly accused on account of the goods he had wasted; but there are many who lose their good name and honor by false accusations, and malicious talk! Alas, what great wrongs do detracting tongues cause in this world! How mean a vice is detraction, how seldom attention is paid to its evil, how rarely the injury is repaired!
When is our neighbor slandered?
When he is accused of a vice of which he is not guilty; when a secret crime is made known with the intention of hurting him, or when our duty does not require us to mention it; when we attribute an evil intention to him or entirely misconstrue his actions and omissions; when his good qualities or commendable actions are denied or lessened, or his merits underrated; when we remain silent, or speak ambiguously in cases where praise is due him; when we lend a willing ear to detractions, and make no effort to stop them; and lastly, when joy is felt in the detraction.
Is detraction a great sin?
Yes, for it is directly opposed to the love of our neighbor, therefore to the love of God, hence it is, as St. Ambrose says, hateful to God and man. By it we rob our neighbor of a possession greater than riches, (Prov. XXII. 1.) and often he is plunged by it into want and misery, even into the greatest vices; St. Ambrose says: "Let us fly from the vice of detraction, for it is altogether a satanic abyss, full of deceit." Finally, detraction is a great sin, because it can seldom be recalled, and the injury done by it is very great, and often irreparable.
What should we do when we have committed this sin?
We should retract the calumny as soon as possible and repair the injury done to our neighbor in regard to his name or temporal goods; we should detest this sin, regret it, and be cleansed from it by penance, we should daily pray for him whom we have injured, and in future guard against the like fault.
Are we ever allowed to reveal the wrongs of our neighbor?
To make public the faults of our neighbor only for the entertainment of idle people, or for the sake of news, and to satisfy the curiosity of others, is always sinful. But if after having reproached or advised our neighbor fraternally, without obtaining our end, we make known his faults to his parents or superiors for the sake of punishment and reformation, far from being a sin it is rather a duty, against which those err who are silent about the sins of their neighbor, when by speaking they could prevent the sin and save him much unhappiness.
Is it a sin to listen willingly to detraction?
Yes, for we thus give the detractors occasion and encouragement. Therefore St. Bernard says: "Whether to detract is a greater sin than to listen to detraction, I will not decide. The devil sits on the tongue of the detractor as he does on the ear of the listener." In such cases we must strive to interrupt, to prevent the detracting words, or else withdraw; or if we can do none of these, we must show in our countenance our displeasure, for the Holy Ghost says: The northwind driveth away rain, so doth a sad countenance a backbiting tongue. (Prov. XXV. 23.) The same demeanor is to be observed in regard to improper language.
What varieties of detraction are there?
There is a certain detestable kind of detraction which degrades and ridicules others by witty and sneering words. Still worse is that detraction which carries the faults of others from one place to another, thus exciting those who are on good terms to hard feeling, or making those who are living in enmity more opposed to each other. The whisperer and the double tongued, says the Holy Ghost, is accursed, for he bath troubled many that were at peace.
What should deter us from detraction?
The thought of the enormity of this sin; of the difficulty, even impossibility of repairing the injury caused; of the punishment it incurs, for St. Paul expressly says: Calumniators shall not possess the kingdom of God, (I Cor. VI. 10.). and Solomon writes: My son, fear the Lord, and the king: and have nothing to do with detractors; for their destruction shall rise suddenly. (Prov. XXIV 22.)
SUPPLICATON Guard me, O most loving Jesus, that I may not be so blinded, either by hatred or, envy, as to rob my neighbor of his good name, or make myself guilty of such a grievous sin.
Give me a break! It's not slander to speak the truth about crooked thieving priests.
Whether the above posts are really detraction is something that I am not at all qualified to answer. It may be that revealing what happened at St. Anthony's actually prevents scandal because it keeps the faithful from coming to rash judgment about the parishioners of St. Anthony's or about Archbishop Myers. For example, knowing that Fr. Perricone has sometimes had contentious dealings with the Church hierarchy and believing him to be innocent, one might come to form a bad opinion of Abp. Myers.
And FYI, you're confusing calumny/slander with detraction:
Detraction is the unjust damaging of another's good name by the revelation of some fault or crime of which that other is really guilty or at any rate is seriously believed to be guilty by the defamer.I'm not gonna sit here and watch you hurl that kind of language at a priest whom I know very well. Hold your peace, let the facts come out, and don't be so quick to further Old Scratch's work demolishing the priesthood. I've already seen other priests hatched down and condemned by this Internet gossip rumor mill for things that later investigation found they absolutely categorically did not do. And I'm still waiting for the retractions and apologies.An important difference between detraction and calumny is at once apparent. The calumniator says what he knows to be false, whilst the detractor narrates what he at least honestly thinks is true. Detraction in a general sense is a mortal sin, as being a violation of the virtue not only of charity but also of justice.
Oh, and all you Angelqueen lurkers, why don't ya just go ahead and put me down on your Perricone blacklist too. And we'll all just keep on furthering our common traditionalist goals by stabbing each other in the back, sniping at each other, and kicking people when they're down.
There's no problem "revealing what happened", in fact, I'm trying to get the facts myself.
I strenuously object to Palladin's calling him "evil" and a "crooked thief" on the basis of a report that is at the very least flagrantly polemical in tone. That's where the detraction comes in.
Claud, let's not leave csbyrnes84 and Slugworth out of the conversation considering that csbyrnes84 posted an "innocent" question on Angelqueen about what was going on at St. Anthony's to start this round of the Internet rumor mill and then Slugworth moved his question over to FR as if one public online "discussion" wasn't enough.
Frankly, I wish that everyone who isn't regularly attending St. Anthony's would just mind their own business and leave us alone.
FWIW, the events described above, and on other sites, occurred the day AFTER Fr. Perricone had been removed from St. Anthony's.
Or at least adopt a "let's wait and see" attitude. One of the worst poisons of modernism is that it's trained us to be cynical and distrustful.
No one is telling about the why. Not the Vicar General's office and certainly not the Board members. All anyone knows is that he was called to the Archdiocesan offices regarding the shenanigans at Our Lady of Mount Carmel. The St. Anthony's Board was present in some capacity. I do not know if they were in on the whole thing or just a part of it. Anyway, no one is talking. At first, the announcement from the pulpit was that Perricone was "reassigned". According to the Vicar General's office, that is not the case. I could not tell you where Perricone is now.
OIP
For better or for worse, this goes beyond St. Anthony's because Fr. Perricone is well-known.
You don't know any priests who own their own vestments?
Thanks for the REAL facts.
I know; you asked what priest has enough personal property to fill 2-3 vans. I don't find it too hard to believe, especially since secular clergy don't take a vow of poverty. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with a priest having 2-3 vans' worth of personal property. A former colleague of mine had an uncle -- a priest -- with lots of personal belongings because he went around to area churches in the late 60s/early 70s and collected the stuff that they were going to throw away.
You misunderstand. The only thing of which I am "excusing" Fr. Perricone is having a lot of personal property. If he stole from the Chapel, then not taking a vow of poverty is no excuse. I would not be surprised if Fr. Perricone has a lot of personal property, enough to fill 2-3 vans, that's all.
Stowed away in a place in which he didn't even reside? If these were things bought for the church wiht parishioners' money, how is it that he apparently regarded them as his own? And why would the cops be called on him if he were not attempting to steal them?
I don't know anything about the actual situation. I don't think that what was bought in the name of the Chapel is Fr. Perricone's personal property, and if he was trying to take things that didn't belong to him, then he needs to be called to account.
The difference here being that those things were put to use in the service of the Church.
True enough, but what is one supposed to do if no church wants them? Well, you keep them to yourself until the Church is sane again and parishes etc. can be trusted to take care of them again.
But I am not talking specifically about the St. Anthony's situation -- I don't know what happened there. I was simply pointing out that it's not that odd for a priest to have a lot of personal property.
Could you please be more careful with your judgments? None of us have enough information here. It is very bad that this has happened in our loved Catholic Church... but we are making the situation much worse. Help me praying so God can give us the gifts of prudence and good judgment
No comments. I will keep praying for our prudence, good judgement and aver all, for OUR CATHOLIC CHURCH. (Yes, it is mine, also. I am not talking about a building, please!)
No comments. I will keep praying for our prudence, good judgement and above all, for OUR CATHOLIC CHURCH. (Yes, it is mine, also. I am not talking about a building, please!)
You left out one thing: he also likes to read strange books written for little boys. Take a look at his Amazon.com wish list: go to http://www.amazon.com/wishlist. On the left side, in the box labeled "Find a Wish List," type in his e-mail address: christifideles@aol.com. You get the same result.
Apparently, one of themes of this book is brainwashing via slick "showmanship." Here's how one Amazon reviewer describes it:
"The book's kind of a zombie film put on paper. At one point, people who've already been hypnotized by the program start wearing silver metal caps that prove their allegiance. They also start 'capping' their unwilling fellows, thereby taking away their free will and making them slaves of the Tripods."
You do the math.
cm_mom, thank you for your informative and charitable post.
If you re-read my post, you'd see that I made no assumptions at all -- sweeping or otherwise. I presented a fact to you and then simply wrote, "You do the math." Your reply indicates that the assumption came to you quite naturally based on the facts that were presented to you.
Considering one particular eyewitness account (from someone I know) of Perricone's social activities, I wouldn't want him wish-listing any books for MY (or anyone else's) son.
(No, I won't describe it -- you indicated that you prefer charitable postings.)
There's an old saying: "You can't judge a book by its cover.... but you can sure tell how much it's gonna cost." The dupes in West Orange saw what was on the cover, but refused to acknowledge the price to be paid. Now they're paying that cost: deserted church, Fr. Wickens' reputation and legacy controlled by Newark, his apostolate in shambles. All in a day's work for the Judas Board of Directors, who have adopted Kent Brockman's (The Simpsons) catch-phrase: "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords."
This isn't an assumption? "he also likes to read strange books written for little boys."
But I meant "you" in the general sense, not in the particular sense. I apologize for my sloppy writing -- I should have written "one" instead: "I don't think one can making sweeping assumptions."
And yes, I do prefer charitable posts (shouldn't we all? or, at least, those of us who are Catholic?), but I also prefer the truth to sly insinuations. Gossip and innuendo are nothing but spiritual poison.
It's called science fiction. And the Tripods trilogy is classic stuff.
The protagonists in the series are four teenage boys, but that doesn't mean they were "written for little boys". I checked all three books out of the library when I was a twelve-year-old girl. In my late thirties I purchased a set, to reread and keep forever.
My stepdaughter didn't get the memo about them being "little boys' books". She sure enjoyed reading them. She even discovered the book in question all on her own, bought it, and loaned it to me. I didn't know there was a fourth book in existence (it's a prequel to the first three), and I very much look forward to reading it.
Adding this book to the list of what, for all I know, could be very valid charges against a man, just looks petty and uninformed.
As for them being "strange", I don't know what could be strange about struggling to free the entire human race from slavery. It's an appropriate theme for readers of any age.
By the way, the alien race took control of the planet not by "slick showmanship" but by actual mind-control, using the television airwaves to do so. And the Caps were applied surgically, not worn as a fashion statement.
Thank you for your words "gossip and innuendo are nothing but spiritual poison". Under the current crisis of Our Catholic Church we must stand up and make wathever we need to do in order to make it prevail. In this great battle for souls between Good and evil, we must be very careful and pray, pray and pray some more. It is good to remember Our Lady's message at Fatima: "In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph".
You guys vote for your pastors? Isn't that a little....er...Protestant?? I don't think a "bottom up" approach to clergy appointments is really Catholic. I have a few Protestant acquaintances who are active in their respective Churches and on occasion I've heard one or two opine that Pastor X ought to be invited to find alternative employment. The whole tenor of this thread is highly reminiscent of this mentality.
I know someone on this thread has already said "outsiders keep your noses out" or words to that effect but this is posted in full view of all FR members so I'll simply observe that it would take some sort of saint to minister to what appears to be a parish full of "church ladies" with PMT.
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