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How Tradition Gave Us the Bible
Assoc of Students at Catholic Colleges ^ | Mark Shea

Posted on 02/06/2006 1:02:10 PM PST by NYer

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To: Invincibly Ignorant

In for a penny, in for a pound. dude.


501 posted on 02/09/2006 8:13:00 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: Eagle Eye
Go read Acts. See Peter visit Corneleus. See Peter minister to gentiles.

I see Peter preaching the Gospel to gentiles and marvelling at the Spirit they received--just as the Apostles themselves had.

Then later see Peter try to apply rules to gentiles that God never required.

Peter gave a defense of the gentiles in numerous places in Acts. He was rebuked by Paul not for a matter of faith but for matter of custom. Peter lived among and ate with the gentiles until joined by men from James. Then he held himself aloof from the gentiles according to Jewish sensibilities. Paul slams him for not living the Gospel he was preaching. NOWHERE does Peter retract that "saved by grace" stuff nor backstab Paul (after Paul has been accepted).

502 posted on 02/09/2006 8:23:43 AM PST by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: Eagle Eye

First, go down to the corner store.

Second, walk three miles.

Third, write down what you saw along the way.

Fourth, get back to me with what you discovered.

Translation: I'm not going on a goosehunt for your point. You make it.


503 posted on 02/09/2006 8:25:35 AM PST by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: Rutles4Ever
How does this prove Peter wasn't in Rome

If you would like to believe Peter was in Rome that is fine....but I know from scripture that Peter was appointed Apostle to the circumcised. Rome was Gentile. The scriptures do not have Peter in or anywhere near Rome. Do you think this odd if he later would be your "Rock"?

You base your assumptions entirely on Tradition....I base mine on the Word of God.

504 posted on 02/09/2006 8:28:40 AM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
You base your assumptions entirely on Tradition....I base mine on the Word of God.

No we believe that the word was made flesh and dwelt among us and that the God of Scripture is also the God of history.

505 posted on 02/09/2006 8:38:34 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: TradicalRC
In for a penny, in for a pound. dude.

You must be proud.

506 posted on 02/09/2006 8:55:36 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: TradicalRC

of your antisemitism that is


507 posted on 02/09/2006 8:56:11 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: NYer
This is sheer blasphemy!

The Bible says otherwise:

2Tim.3:16

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Again, we have fallible mortals trying to take credit for what God clearly gave to us.

People should be ashamed to even think this let alone parrot it like utter fools.
508 posted on 02/09/2006 8:58:58 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: NYer

I woulnd't buy anything from him!

If he can't even get it straight WHO gave us the Bible, I wouldn't trust him with anything. He's a blasphemer!

2Tim.3:16

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


509 posted on 02/09/2006 9:00:16 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: nmh

Oh great. There goes the party...


510 posted on 02/09/2006 9:02:33 AM PST by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Correction: God gave us the Bible."

Thank you!

Perhaps plain English will allow some to SEE instead of this pumped up blasphemy.

How dare this misguided and ungodly author of this thread declare such nonsense. I don't believe God will look too kindly on him when he attempts to hijack and not give credit to God.
511 posted on 02/09/2006 9:03:02 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness." 2 Peter 3:15-17

Correct!

Furthermore Priests didn't WANT people to read it because they would then see the fallacious teachings and exploitation by the Catholic church.
512 posted on 02/09/2006 9:04:19 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Diego1618
You said:

Romans 15:20....Paul says he would never preach upon another man's foundation."

You also said:

but I know from scripture that Peter was appointed Apostle to the circumcised.

And:

Rome was Gentile

If this be the case, as you are presenting it, what do you make of Paul's letter to the Thessalonians?

Thessalonica was in Macedonia. Also a Gentile city. So Gentile, in fact, Paul and Timothy were prohibited from preaching to the Gentiles there.

Well to whom then did they preach? The "circumcised". In the synagogue there.

So, let's look at what you're saying:

1) Rome is Gentile. Therefore, there were no "circumcised" men for Peter to be the "Apostle to the Circumcised". This is faulty premise. There were many Christianized Jews living in Rome who were driven out of Jerusalem by the persecuting zealots.

2) Peter was Apostle to the circumcised. Paul was Apostle to the Gentiles (according to Galations 2:9). How does that square with Paul preaching solely to the Jews in Thessalonica? Sounds a lot like Paul was preaching "on another man's foundation" (if that was Peter's assigned flock, as you contend.)

Additionally, 1 Peter 5:13 states...

"The church that is in Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you: and so doth my son Mark"

Babylon, as I've said, was code for "Rome". Babylon proper was laying in ruins when Peter wrote this letter. It was not an inhabited city.

You base your assumptions entirely on Tradition....I base mine on the Word of God.

LOL! I've done nothing but cite Scripture as a foundation, with support from accepted historical facts. You've done nothing but repeat the same "do-it-yourself" theology over and over again, while ignoring the entirety of Sacred Scripture and accepted history.

The scriptures do not have Peter in or anywhere near Rome. Do you think this odd if he later would be your "Rock"?

You haven't answered any of my questions. You've done nothing but evade and then set up straw men because your position is rife with error. I've already addressed the issue of what IS and what ISN'T explicitly in Scripture and its relationship with accepted fact.

513 posted on 02/09/2006 9:16:37 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: pgyanke

They were just warming up. Time to send in the clowns.


514 posted on 02/09/2006 9:17:46 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: pgyanke
"Oh great. There goes the party..."

There is no "party" going on by giving credit to fallible mortals. That's stealing the credit from God. Are so blind as to not see that?

If people would bother to READ the Bible they'd know this is article is ridiculous on its face.

2Tim.3:16

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Perhaps the "tradition" of not reading the Bible is having this as a consequence. People are IGNORNARNT of Him. Instead they continue to trust MAN instead of HIM. That is not a relationship with HIM. Trusting man is foolish.

Pss.116:11

[11] I said in my haste, All men are liars.

However when God speaks through them they are not liars as is the case with the writing of the Bible.

God cannot lie. Man does lie without His inspiration.

Tit.1:2

[2] In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

I'd better leave this thread. I find it terribly blasphemous and upsetting.
515 posted on 02/09/2006 9:18:30 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: nmh

If this is your idea of basic reading comprehension, I highly doubt your ability to comprehend the Bible.


516 posted on 02/09/2006 9:19:29 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: whispering out loud

If we need no man to 'mediate' for us, why did Jesus direct his disciples to go and preach and teach the Scriptures?


517 posted on 02/09/2006 9:20:28 AM PST by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

So you celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday?


518 posted on 02/09/2006 9:21:06 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever
So you celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday?

On the 7th day which happens to have been falling on gregorian saturdays. And since I'm Jewish its only natural.

519 posted on 02/09/2006 9:32:25 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: nmh
I hesitate to post to you because your rants make your communications skill suspect. However, the following got my attention:

However when God speaks through them they are not liars as is the case with the writing of the Bible.

In the past 2000 years, How would the Church, in your eyes, recognize His Voice since we can only look to Words written 2000 years ago? Or has He been silent and leaving us to our own reading comprehension?

520 posted on 02/09/2006 9:38:26 AM PST by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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