.... just in case.
Posted on 02/17/2006 9:35:32 AM PST by NYer
.... just in case.
Catholic bashing commencing in 5...4...3...2...1...
The doctrine of indulgences, when properly understood, is helpful and instructive. It certainly makes one more conscious of sin and its burden, and the necessity of pious acts ("work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God which worketh in you.")
Y'shua is speaking:b'shem Y'shuaRevelation 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead,
and behold I am alive for ever and ever!
And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Posted 12:35
and nothing yet. Wow!
Nah, paying for an indulgence is no sillier than sending money to a Jimmy Swaggert or a Revernd Ike for a 'Prayer Rug' guaranteed to do something or other.
So9
If you cared to read the article, you would find that the Council of Trent outlawed the practice of selling indulgences. That was almost half a millenium ago.
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6 minutes ... a minor miracle.
If you cared to read the article, you would find that while some types were outlawed, others were not and that the practice is increasing under Joey Rats.
So9
Don't worry it will happen.
I understood from a priest that it's not actually as easy as it looks on paper. There is a "go and do that sin no more clause". (Not to be confused with approval with all other sins.)
The problem was selling the indulgences, not the indulgence themselves. Indulgences don't forgive sin, they remit the temporal punishment associated with sins, since Christ gave the power of binding and loosing to the Church.
"and behold I am alive for ever and ever!
And I hold the keys of death and Hades. "
b'shem Y'shua
Thanks Xenia!!! Why do they forget that only God holds the keys of "death and Hades"?? Indulgences, Purgatory? LOL, no animosity, bashing, or ridicule intended. So, my question is this, does the Catholic Church really believe that their religious hierarchy are succesors to God and his apostles to be able to carry on and extend their own opinions? (such an astounding mingling of truth, lies and hypocrisy in my opinion.) This is new to me and sounds like heresy to me! (slow to understand).
So, I understand from one of the posts that Maryland was established as a Catholic state. That is interesting to me. Wonder why Catholics would come to the new world? is area I will do some reading about.
Me?. I'm a struggling christian. I am continually astounded by mere men who try to usurp the power of God for themselves. (No animosity intended, just statement of facts, trying to understand how Catholics and some Baptists, etc al. justify this claim to their relation to God in life.) Do Catholics believe the New Testament? (just wondering).
Of course, their lives are not my business to judge, but do get tired of hearing or reading judgments of my behavior, but "indulgences", sounds like during fall from grace of Egyptian Priests who sold oracles to people to protect them from bad stuff happening to them dynastys before Christ was born.
Xenia, you are so right on for me. Appreciate your posts.
"and behold I am alive for ever and ever!
And I hold the keys of death and Hades. "
b'shem Y'shua
Thanks Xenia!!! Why do they forget that only God holds the keys of "death and Hades"?? Indulgences, Purgatory? LOL, no animosity, bashing, or ridicule intended. So, my question is this, does the Catholic Church really believe that their religious hierarchy are succesors to God and his apostles to be able to carry on and extend their own opinions? (such an astounding mingling of truth, lies and hypocrisy in my opinion.) This is new to me and sounds like heresy to me! (slow to understand).
So, I understand from one of the posts that Maryland was established as a Catholic state. That is interesting to me. Wonder why Catholics would come to the new world? is area I will do some reading about.
Me?. I'm a struggling christian. I am continually astounded by mere men who try to usurp the power of God for themselves. (No animosity intended, just statement of facts, trying to understand how Catholics and some Baptists, etc al. justify this claim to their relation to God in life.) Do Catholics believe the New Testament? (just wondering).
Of course, their lives are not my business to judge, but do get tired of hearing or reading judgments of my behavior, but "indulgences", sounds like during fall from grace of Egyptian Priests who sold oracles to people to protect them from bad stuff happening to them dynastys before Christ was born.
Xenia, you are so right on for me. Appreciate your posts.
If I read the bible and pretend that I can speak Aramaic, will I be saved?
>>Of course, their lives are not my business to judge, but do get tired of hearing or reading judgments of my behavior, but "indulgences", sounds like during fall from grace of Egyptian Priests who sold oracles to people to protect them from bad stuff happening to them dynastys before Christ was born.<<
LOLOLOLOL!
And so it starts!
Oh no, it's not MY business to judge. Right. Then why are you here?
Not only does the Catholic Church believe that the bishops are the successors of the apostles, but also the Orthodox Churches. They cannot add to the apostolic teachings, but can clarify them, due to the challenge of heresy.
So, I understand from one of the posts that Maryland was established as a Catholic state. That is interesting to me. Wonder why Catholics would come to the new world? is area I will do some reading about.
Catholics were in the New World long before the English Protestants arrived. The Spanish and the Portuguese were in the Southwest, Central, and South America for a hundred years before Jamestown. Maryland was founded by English Catholics so they could practice their religion without persecution. If you were a Catholic priest, you could be executed, and if you were a lay Catholic, you could be fined and thrown into jail.
Do Catholics believe the New Testament?
We certainly do. Our Church existed BEFORE the New Testament was compiled.
but "indulgences", sounds like during fall from grace of Egyptian Priests who sold oracles to people to protect them from bad stuff happening to them dynastys before Christ was born.
Read the article and you get a good explanation on the reason for indulgences.
Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven...
His words are like a lamp at my feet.
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