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To: blue-duncan
Nowhere that I am aware of. However,

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You will notice in verse 30 that all the tribes of earth morn when they see the Son of Man coming and THEN he gathers his elect

That still does not authorize us to insert a time frame that is never mentioned.

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Pet 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Let me also ask of you then, where does it ever give a time of before the triblation?

19 posted on 02/24/2006 12:12:38 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
My understanding is that the tribulation period starts with the opening of the seals in Rev. 6 and the great tribulation period with the opening of the seventh seal in Rev. 8. This corresponds with Daniel's seventieth week Dan. 9:27. The seals, trumpets and vials are all judgments of God and from Rev. 9 on to Rev. 16 at least five times in the face of God's wrath the unbelievers refuse to repent and God finally says "that's enough".

The Millennial reign is the other side of God's wrath. For an extended period the unbelieving nations will experience God's peaceful reign under the governorship of believers with the presence of Jesus and in the end will still choose to follow Satan. At the Great White Throne judgment they will be without excuse and no one will say "if only I had a chance".

Again, reasonable minds can differ on this for we only see these things dimly. Just be prepared. Like Blake in "Jerusalem" (my paraphrase)

"Give me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,"
(till Thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven)
21 posted on 02/24/2006 1:28:22 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: GrandEagle; blue-duncan
Let me also ask of you then, where does it ever give a time of before the triblation?

Your using Matthew 24 to contradict the rapture, you will be successful.

Matt 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

It appears that here, the evil ones are taken away and the good are left behind. Contrast this to Revelation 14

Rev 14:15-20 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Here the good are taken away and the evil are left behind. If we do not distinguish these two events it is easy to understand why there is so much confusion. In Matthew 24, the evil ones are taken to judgment. In Revelation 14 the evil ones are left behind for judgment. Try to place these two events on a timeline as you see fit.

The idea of a pre-tribulation rapture came about to try to fit many pieces of scripture together. Just like any creed or doctrine, it fails when people cannot remember how it came about.

Joseph was a type of Christ. He came to rule Egypt, second only to Pharaoh in power. That Christ will reveal himself to Israel was prefigured in Joseph revealing himself to his brothers. Do you think it is significant that he sent all of the gentiles out of the room first?


32 posted on 02/25/2006 1:04:16 AM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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