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To: GrandEagle; blue-duncan
Let me also ask of you then, where does it ever give a time of before the triblation?

Your using Matthew 24 to contradict the rapture, you will be successful.

Matt 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

It appears that here, the evil ones are taken away and the good are left behind. Contrast this to Revelation 14

Rev 14:15-20 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Here the good are taken away and the evil are left behind. If we do not distinguish these two events it is easy to understand why there is so much confusion. In Matthew 24, the evil ones are taken to judgment. In Revelation 14 the evil ones are left behind for judgment. Try to place these two events on a timeline as you see fit.

The idea of a pre-tribulation rapture came about to try to fit many pieces of scripture together. Just like any creed or doctrine, it fails when people cannot remember how it came about.

Joseph was a type of Christ. He came to rule Egypt, second only to Pharaoh in power. That Christ will reveal himself to Israel was prefigured in Joseph revealing himself to his brothers. Do you think it is significant that he sent all of the gentiles out of the room first?

Seven

32 posted on 02/25/2006 1:04:16 AM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0
HI again!

I think I understand Matt 24:39 a little differently.

It seems to me that the subject of discussion - and the reason for the comparison between the two time in history - is the suddenness and unexpectedness (not sure that is a word) of our Saviors appearance. Note:

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

It is good to chat with you again - I guess I've been away on creation/evo threads too long!

GE
41 posted on 02/25/2006 7:34:45 AM PST by GrandEagle
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