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Man to build Catholics-only town
www.news.com.au ^ | February 27, 2006 | Tony Allen-Mills

Posted on 02/27/2006 10:26:11 AM PST by annalex

Man to build Catholics-only town

By Tony Allen-Mills

February 27, 2006 A FORMER marine who was raised by nuns and made a fortune selling pizza has embarked on a $540 million plan to build the first town in America to be run according to strict Catholic principles. Abortions, pornography and contraceptives will be banned in the new Florida town of Ave Maria, which has begun to take shape on former vegetable farms 145km northwest of Miami.

Tom Monaghan, the founder of the Domino's Pizza chain, has stirred protests from civil rights activists by declaring that Ave Maria's pharmacies will not be allowed to sell condoms or birth control pills. The town's cable television network will carry no X-rated channels.

The town will be centred on a 30m tall oratory and the first Catholic university to be built in the US for 40 years.

The university's president, Nicholas J. Healy, has said future students should "help rebuild the city of God" in a country suffering from "catastrophic cultural collapse".

Monaghan, 68, sold his takeaway chain in 1998 for an estimated $1.5 billion.

A devout Catholic who has ploughed millions into religious projects - including radio stations, primary schools and a Catholic law faculty in Michigan - Monaghan has bought about 2000ha previously used by migrant farmers.

The land on the western edge of the Everglades swamp will eventually house up to 30,000 people, with 5000 students living on the university campus.

Florida officials have declared the project a development bonanza for a depressed area and Governor Jeb Bush attended a groundbreaking ceremony for the university earlier this month.

Civil rights activists and other watchdogs concerned about the separation of church and state are threatening lawsuits if Ave Maria attempts to enforce Catholic dogma - none of which has deterred Monaghan, who initially tried to build his new university in Michigan but could not get permission.

Asked recently about possible lawsuits in Florida, he replied: "That's great. That would be the best publicity we could get."

Monaghan was sent to a Catholic orphanage with his brother James after the death of their father on Christmas Eve 1941. After serving with the US Marines and later dropping out of university, he founded Domino's in 1960 with his brother, who sold back his share for a Volkswagen Beetle.

Monaghan then set about building what became America's second-largest pizza chain. He collected antique cars, bought a yacht and became the owner of the Detroit Tigers baseball team.

About 15 years ago he read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis. "That was a big turnaround," he said recently. "I decided to simplify my life. No more airplanes, no more yachts. It's been a big relief."

Sources close to the project said Monaghan was particularly disturbed by what he regards as the failure of Western civilisation to resist Islamic fundamentalism. In a speech to students last year Healy warned that Islam "no longer faces a religiously dynamic West".

From The Sunday Times


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: avemaria; catholics; catholicwaco
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I hope it works now, but if not, one day it will.
1 posted on 02/27/2006 10:26:14 AM PST by annalex
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To: Coleus; NYer; Salvation

For your pinging pleasure.


2 posted on 02/27/2006 10:27:37 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

I guess no New York Times writers will be retiring there.
But I'd like to check it out.


3 posted on 02/27/2006 10:30:18 AM PST by romanesq
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To: annalex
Tom Monaghan, the founder of the Domino's Pizza chain,

I hope it works out for him. What a great way to avoid the Noid...


4 posted on 02/27/2006 10:33:06 AM PST by Horatio Gates (Yea, though I live in the valley of DUmmies, they will fear me for FR is with me)
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To: annalex
I wish this project luck, truly and earnestly.
I just hope that they avoid, like the plague, the trap of ever accepting federal money at any time for any reason!
Why do I fear that we ordinary Catholic mortals will never be able to afford living there?
5 posted on 02/27/2006 10:33:34 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: annalex

http://www.avemaria.com/discover/

I am excited about this. God bless him and Ave Maria University.


6 posted on 02/27/2006 10:34:50 AM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: annalex

I'm not even Catholic but it sounds good to me.


7 posted on 02/27/2006 10:35:23 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: annalex; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...

I'm speechless!


8 posted on 02/27/2006 10:37:38 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

I assumed you already knew about this. There is a lot more information here:

http://www.avemaria.com/discover/


9 posted on 02/27/2006 10:40:28 AM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: annalex

If it were in Texas, I'd seriously consider moving there. Such a community would be a dream come true for us.


10 posted on 02/27/2006 10:41:36 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: NYer

I knew about Ave Maria University, but I did not realize it was planning to build an entire town around it!


11 posted on 02/27/2006 10:43:07 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: annalex

(I wonder, will Orthodox Christians be welcome?)


12 posted on 02/27/2006 10:44:05 AM PST by x5452
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To: mlc9852
I'm not even Catholic but it sounds good to me.

This Baptist gal thought the same thing. The values Monaghan strives to encourage in this mini Utopia far outweigh religious differences. Somehow I think Protestants would be most welcome (although Islamofascists, not so much).

13 posted on 02/27/2006 10:47:28 AM PST by shezza (God bless our military heroes)
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---"After serving with the US Marines and later dropping out of university, he founded Domino's in 1960 with his brother, who sold back his share for a Volkswagen Beetle."---

Hope he liked the ride! Whoa!


14 posted on 02/27/2006 10:49:36 AM PST by Rocket1968 (Durbin must resign - NOW!)
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To: NYer

So, um, when we moving NYer?

:)


15 posted on 02/27/2006 11:03:55 AM PST by undirish01 (Go Irish! If only we can get the theology dept. turned around.)
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To: annalex

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Jesus didn't call His diciples to retreat into seclusion. They had to go out into the world and make disciples of the pagans and the Jews. This sounds like a Catholic ghetto or isolated Amish-esque community.

I wish him luck, but I wouldn't live there.


16 posted on 02/27/2006 11:08:47 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: annalex
Same article posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1586415/posts

17 posted on 02/27/2006 11:09:11 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Credo in Unam, Sanctam, Catholicam et Apostolicam Ecclesiam.)
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To: NYer
Fight Islamofascism! Eat Domino's Pizza!
18 posted on 02/27/2006 11:10:24 AM PST by Rytwyng ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche......"Oh, yeah? Wait 3 days!!!" -- God)
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To: Rutles4Ever
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Jesus didn't call His disciples to retreat into seclusion. They had to go out into the world and make disciples of the pagans and the Jews. This sounds like a Catholic ghetto or isolated Amish-esque community. I wish him luck, but I wouldn't live there.

Sort of my take also (I a Lutheran BTW). Probably a great place to raise kids, but we are called to be a light to the world.

But at the same time a movement like this COULD be a light. A view of a way of life that is unlike what you can see in most US towns.

19 posted on 02/27/2006 11:11:36 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: annalex
I hope it works now, but if not, one day it will.

These "utopia" towns never work.

I suppose a "Catholic-only" town means only the early town magisterium is capable of handing down the rules and you don't question it. This as opposed to a "Protestant-only" town where someone makes the rules and everyone questions it. :O)

20 posted on 02/27/2006 11:12:02 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: annalex
Catholics-only town

Nothing in the article says that the town will be "Catholics-only". That would be illegal anyway.

21 posted on 02/27/2006 11:16:36 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Rutles4Ever

Remember that this is an educational operation. Those graduates WILL be going out into the world to impact and renew the culture.


22 posted on 02/27/2006 11:23:27 AM PST by Savonarola
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To: annalex

Okay, I want to live there! Sounds like heaven to me!


23 posted on 02/27/2006 11:23:44 AM PST by samiam1972 (Live simply so that others may simply live!)
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To: HarleyD

Touche!


24 posted on 02/27/2006 11:24:16 AM PST by bonfire
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To: Savonarola

They'll be going out into the world to be devoured if they don't understand the temptations and enemies they'll face.

It doesn't take a village... just responsible parenting.


25 posted on 02/27/2006 11:25:36 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: undirish01
So, um, when we moving NYer?

I hear the mosquitos in FL are the size of bats and more ferocious :-)

26 posted on 02/27/2006 11:27:48 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
I hear the mosquitos in FL are the size of bats and more ferocious :-)

No, those are the Palmetto Bugs.

27 posted on 02/27/2006 11:30:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: HarleyD
These "utopia" towns never work.

I wonder why.


28 posted on 02/27/2006 11:33:33 AM PST by annalex
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To: NYer

Another thought.... maybe this will inspire Mel to build one in Malibu!!! He's already built a church...


29 posted on 02/27/2006 11:34:46 AM PST by Rytwyng ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche......"Oh, yeah? Wait 3 days!!!" -- God)
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To: Nihil Obstat; All

Look! There's even a moat surrounding it. From the link ..

* * * * *

The Ave Maria community totals about 5,000 acres, of which nearly 20% has been designated as the University campus. Connecting the University and the Town is a Town Core anchored by the landmark Oratory and incorporating retail and commercial space as well as residential condominiums.

Three additional commercial centers will provide essential goods and services, entertainment and dining, enabling residents and students alike to live, work and play within the community, often traveling by foot or bicycle.

When completed, the Town will contain some 11,000 residential dwellings in a wide variety of price ranges and neighborhoods. From rental apartments to condominiums, and from starter to estate homes, Ave Maria will offer something for nearly everyone.

Community resources will include an on-site fire/sheriff/EMS building, as well as medical facilities provided in partnership with the NCH Healthcare System; all will be operational when the community opens.

A significant network of parks and recreational areas has been included; in fact, about 45% of the total town area is devoted to lakes and open space. The Collier County Public Schools have been gifted land for both an elementary and a middle school, and the University plans a K-12 parochial school to be operational when the first phase of the community opens.

It is anticipated that the first phase of the University and Town, including representative housing and commercial areas, will be operational in mid 2007.

* * * * *

I don't know. This 'utopia' may start out just fine but how long before "Fr. Flapdoodle" manages to wend his way into town and train the "younguns'" in liturgical dance. The trad posse would then have to lynch him and the Ave Maria law students might have to defend them.

30 posted on 02/27/2006 11:40:39 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: annalex

"I hope it works now, but if not, one day it will."

I wish the guy well, but I seriously doubt this will work.

It is defensive in nature, whereas my experience tells me the Holy Spirit works on the offensive.

I look to the underground Church in China as an example of how God works to influence a society - and there it seems He primarily works through people who as willing to do His will no matter what the cost - even including death.


31 posted on 02/27/2006 11:57:41 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I alluded to Waco for a reason. I think, the government will not allow it to exist, and it will stop at nothing to destroy it. Note that there are very serious legal issues Ave Maria will have to face regarding the federal abortion regime, to pick just one example. Ave Maria, -- if orthodox Catholic vision prevails in its construction, -- will be provoked into defiance of the law, and then it will be treated with force.

Would it work in absence of the hostile state? Europe consisted of religiously monolithic communities under Church law for about a thousand years and that state of affairs gave us the Western Civilization.

It is not a defensive enterprise. To build a society informed by the Church is the best offensive tool there is. The Church started by showing the pagans how to properly live. There is simply no alternative: Christian way of life is the core of Christian witness. I fear, however, that the cost might be more than a pizza empire, and paid in blood.

I have a backlog of posts to respond to, so please give me time to respond further about this.


32 posted on 02/27/2006 12:31:20 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

Leading by example, a real start to traditonal values.
Os4 God Bless America!


33 posted on 02/27/2006 12:43:47 PM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: Rutles4Ever
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Jesus didn't call His diciples to retreat into seclusion. They had to go out into the world and make disciples of the pagans and the Jews. This sounds like a Catholic ghetto or isolated Amish-esque community.

For a typical layman, his greatest witness to the world is his manner of life.

If this were one isolated location, your objection might apply. If this were the beginning of a trend of going and founding new towns run on Christian principals, it would not.

34 posted on 02/27/2006 12:48:32 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: HarleyD
These "utopia" towns never work.

The Amish seem to be doing fine. The important thing is a very high birthrate and retainment rate.

35 posted on 02/27/2006 12:49:33 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: NYer

Wait until it's built before anyone moves.

Tom is a wonderful person and Dominos supports Pro-life causes (even without him there) BUT he is well know in MI for starting things and then pulling his $$$$$$$.

I heard that there is a group of nuns suing him because he started and elementary school then pulled the financing.


36 posted on 02/27/2006 12:49:56 PM PST by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: iowamark

He is only going to put some restrictions on occupants. That is done by developers all the time.


37 posted on 02/27/2006 1:00:41 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Actually the Amish are not doing very well. I believe that their policies of giving the farm to the oldest have forced many of the others to the city where they've forget their background. If memory serves me right there are a host of other problems which signals a dying culture.

Unrelated but one might recall Disney's "Celebration" experience-a model town which was suppose to reflect a great lifestyle. It didn't work and Disney sold "Celebration".

Just wait until a "gay" Catholic wants to buy a home in Ava Maria. Does anyone think someone will be able to stop them?

38 posted on 02/27/2006 1:03:31 PM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: RobbyS
He is only going to put some restrictions on occupants. That is done by developers all the time.

No, developers do not restrict occupants based on religion, race, or national origin. That has been illegal in the US at least since the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The Ave Maria people certainly know this. These liberal critics are attempting to discredit Ave Maria before it even starts by portraying it as discriminatory.

39 posted on 02/27/2006 1:28:47 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

However, he can prevent the establishment of such institiutions as "gentlemen's bars." or other places of low repute. The problem is that as time wears on, the original owners of homes are replaced by persons of a different stripe.


40 posted on 02/27/2006 1:35:31 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: HarleyD
Just wait until a "gay" Catholic wants to buy a home in Ava Maria. Does anyone think someone will be able to stop them?

Depends on state law, I guess. IIRC, only a small percentage of states treat sexual orientation as a protected category. There is no federal protection for sexual orientation that I am aware of.

The other things he proposes, such as banning the sale of contraceptives, can probably done so long as they are put in deed restrictions by the developer and not imposed by whatever city council will eventually run this place.

Not sure how he could keep pornography out. He cannot prevent people from getting satelite dishes, for example.

41 posted on 02/27/2006 1:52:20 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: annalex; NYer
As I recall Charles Keating bought property on the west side of Phoenix and intended to develop a town without cable,pornography and other secular seductions.

Additionally he founded and funded a nation wide anti-pornography entity.

He also appeared before the House committee on Savings and Loans where he pointed out the pitfalls of the government insuring home loans by less than financially secure lending institutions. In essence they told him to go fly a kite.

He donated large sums of money to pay for appearances by Pope John Paul II as well as Mother Theresa in Phoenix.

And then one fine day some reporters asked him if the reason he gave large contributions to the Senators from Arizona was to get access to them,he replied (this is paraphrasing) ":of course, I am the largest employer(?)in Arizona and there are times when I need to talk to the Senators about how laws and regulations will eventually effect their constituents,access is the driving force behind campaign contributions".

You would have thought that he had said he rectally examined his employees at the end of the day to be sure they weren't smuggling out secrets or supplies,the reporters were stunned it seems. Whatever,that was the signal to "get him" and get him they did. They went after him,his businesses and his family and some really unspeakable things happened that were terrible.

Please understand that I am sure that he did sequence some things predicated on the existing rules of the game that were less than above board but had the rules and practices used by most of the big "elite" power players been in effect for him,all of those greedy complainers they hauled up to testify would have been satisfied. Instead the beneficiaries were that select group of people that the RTC offered his property to for cents on the dollar,not to mention all of the big government,self righteous do-gooders and immoral purveyors of porn and sex that couldn't wait to get this pesky thorn out of their sides.

Because of seeing first hand how the sharks attack good men I worry about this plan of the pizza man. However,I will pray for him and ask everyone I know to pray for him and as we all know prayer is ever efficacious.

42 posted on 02/27/2006 2:18:26 PM PST by saradippity
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To: saradippity

Is he any relation to Karl Keating of the Catholic Answers Live?


43 posted on 02/27/2006 2:26:26 PM PST by annalex
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To: iowamark
Nothing in the article says that the town will be "Catholics-only". That would be illegal anyway.

It's not illegal becasue he (they) will own the land.

It's not illegal for the Amish to live in their communities so why would it be illegal for Catholics to do the same?

Also what about the private condo and gated communities that have applications for prospective residents? They also specify behavior and other restrictions.

44 posted on 02/27/2006 2:51:34 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: annalex
I don't think so. I think Charles Keating is about 75 and he has one son and it is not Karl. He (Karl) could be a brother or nephew but I have never heard of any relationship between the two.
45 posted on 02/27/2006 3:00:06 PM PST by saradippity
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To: annalex

I think it's an intriguing idea, but the scale is too ambitious. Big enterprises make big targets in my view. The scale of this is going to attract problems in and of itself.

While I do hope this works out, I don't think I would want to live there.


46 posted on 02/27/2006 3:29:29 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: annalex

Interestingly enough, Florida had a "Catholics only" town in the late 19th century. The town of San Antonio, near St. Leo's (home of the Benedictine abbey and university of that name), was founded by a wealthy individual as a place for Catholics to come and live, rear their kids in a Christian environment with a Catholic school in town, etc. The idea eventually faded away, and while the town with its central square remains, the only sign that it was once Catholic seems to be the large display of Nativity scenes the residents put up every year.

St. Leo's, of course, is still there and doing just fine. Both are in central Florida, probably an hour and a half or so from Ave Maria.


47 posted on 02/27/2006 3:47:15 PM PST by livius
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To: annalex

BTTT!


48 posted on 02/27/2006 4:34:14 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Nihil Obstat

Yes, if you do a search on FR for Ave Maria -- there are many threads going back several years.

Don't have time to do it now since my car just died and I am debating myself about what to do.


49 posted on 02/27/2006 4:35:50 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: right-wingin_It
Also what about the private condo and gated communities that have applications for prospective residents? They also specify behavior and other restrictions.

Covenants against selling homes to people because of their race or religion have been illegal for almost 60 years. He could not force his buyers to refuse to sell to non-Catholics.

50 posted on 02/27/2006 5:05:04 PM PST by LWalk18
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