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To: PetroniusMaximus

I alluded to Waco for a reason. I think, the government will not allow it to exist, and it will stop at nothing to destroy it. Note that there are very serious legal issues Ave Maria will have to face regarding the federal abortion regime, to pick just one example. Ave Maria, -- if orthodox Catholic vision prevails in its construction, -- will be provoked into defiance of the law, and then it will be treated with force.

Would it work in absence of the hostile state? Europe consisted of religiously monolithic communities under Church law for about a thousand years and that state of affairs gave us the Western Civilization.

It is not a defensive enterprise. To build a society informed by the Church is the best offensive tool there is. The Church started by showing the pagans how to properly live. There is simply no alternative: Christian way of life is the core of Christian witness. I fear, however, that the cost might be more than a pizza empire, and paid in blood.

I have a backlog of posts to respond to, so please give me time to respond further about this.

32 posted on 02/27/2006 12:31:20 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex; NYer
As I recall Charles Keating bought property on the west side of Phoenix and intended to develop a town without cable,pornography and other secular seductions.

Additionally he founded and funded a nation wide anti-pornography entity.

He also appeared before the House committee on Savings and Loans where he pointed out the pitfalls of the government insuring home loans by less than financially secure lending institutions. In essence they told him to go fly a kite.

He donated large sums of money to pay for appearances by Pope John Paul II as well as Mother Theresa in Phoenix.

And then one fine day some reporters asked him if the reason he gave large contributions to the Senators from Arizona was to get access to them,he replied (this is paraphrasing) ":of course, I am the largest employer(?)in Arizona and there are times when I need to talk to the Senators about how laws and regulations will eventually effect their constituents,access is the driving force behind campaign contributions".

You would have thought that he had said he rectally examined his employees at the end of the day to be sure they weren't smuggling out secrets or supplies,the reporters were stunned it seems. Whatever,that was the signal to "get him" and get him they did. They went after him,his businesses and his family and some really unspeakable things happened that were terrible.

Please understand that I am sure that he did sequence some things predicated on the existing rules of the game that were less than above board but had the rules and practices used by most of the big "elite" power players been in effect for him,all of those greedy complainers they hauled up to testify would have been satisfied. Instead the beneficiaries were that select group of people that the RTC offered his property to for cents on the dollar,not to mention all of the big government,self righteous do-gooders and immoral purveyors of porn and sex that couldn't wait to get this pesky thorn out of their sides.

Because of seeing first hand how the sharks attack good men I worry about this plan of the pizza man. However,I will pray for him and ask everyone I know to pray for him and as we all know prayer is ever efficacious.

42 posted on 02/27/2006 2:18:26 PM PST by saradippity
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