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[Catholic] Tradition catching on with Baptists [Ecumenical Ash Wed. Service]
Birmingham News ^ | Wednesday, March 01, 2006 | Greg Garrison

Posted on 03/01/2006 10:35:38 AM PST by Full Court

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To: jude24
It explicitly includes observance of holy days

No, it only uses that as an example. And there is no inference of any rituals.

The true church never used or co-opted any pagan rituals such as making a mark of Shiva on the forehead.

And I am a Christian, not a catholic. So no more than they consider me a sister in their faith, so I consider them brothers in mine.

251 posted on 03/04/2006 8:55:56 PM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: jude24

Yeah, I knew you didn't really believe what you said about not judging.

Carry on little one.


252 posted on 03/04/2006 8:56:38 PM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: Full Court

That's been debunked already. It was not a Hindu ritual, rather an Indian one. I do believe the woman was a Catholic.


253 posted on 03/04/2006 9:01:53 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Full Court
The true church never used or co-opted any pagan rituals such as making a mark of Shiva on the forehead.

Who said anything about a mark of Shiva?

254 posted on 03/04/2006 9:01:54 PM PST by Titanites (Sola scriptura leads to solo scriptura; both are man-made traditions)
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To: Full Court
Carry on little one.

Where does the Bible tell you to you, as a Christian, to act like an ass?

255 posted on 03/04/2006 9:03:24 PM PST by Titanites (Sola scriptura leads to solo scriptura; both are man-made traditions)
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To: Full Court
The true church never used or co-opted any pagan rituals such as making a mark of Shiva on the forehead.

The mark of Shiva? Why don't you ask the Catholics what it symbolizes...? The fact that Hindus have an analogous rite does not disqualify it. Or, is baptism disqualified because the ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, Mithratic cult, and the Japanese all had baptism ceremonies?

Just because pagans have an analog doesn't mean the Christian rite is derived from paganism.

256 posted on 03/04/2006 9:04:01 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: Full Court
It's certainly not a Biblical or Christian practice to make a mark with ash on the forehead.

1) I asked you what was Pagan, not whether it's found in the Bible.

2) As other posters have shown, there is a parallel to the Catholic practices of ashes/repentance in the Old Testament.

3) Even if not something found in the Bible, what specifically is Unchristian about a practice that calls us to repentance and back to Christ?

Just because something is not specifically in the Bible, does not make it an unChristian practice.
257 posted on 03/04/2006 9:04:19 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die

Jeremiah 10:2  Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen


258 posted on 03/04/2006 9:05:04 PM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: Full Court

Out-of-context prooftexts prove only that you know how to use a concordance.


259 posted on 03/04/2006 9:05:54 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: Titanites

I'll have to look that up, give me a few minutes. :-)

2 Peter 2:16  But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.


260 posted on 03/04/2006 9:07:18 PM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: jude24

I don't have a concordance.


261 posted on 03/04/2006 9:07:57 PM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: Full Court
2 Peter 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

I don't know if you have a man's voice, but if you want to take it that this means you should act like a dumb ass, I guess solo scriptura allows you to do so.

262 posted on 03/04/2006 9:10:57 PM PST by Titanites (Sola scriptura leads to solo scriptura; both are man-made traditions)
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To: Full Court
The true church never used or co-opted any pagan rituals such as making a mark of Shiva on the forehead.

Who said anything about a mark of Shiva?

263 posted on 03/04/2006 9:12:15 PM PST by Titanites (Sola scriptura leads to solo scriptura; both are man-made traditions)
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To: Full Court
Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen

I see you use notations for chapter and verse. Where does does the Bible tell you to divide scripture into chapter and verse?

264 posted on 03/04/2006 9:16:37 PM PST by Titanites (Sola scriptura leads to solo scriptura; both are man-made traditions)
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To: jude24

I think it would depend on what significance that the ritual has. If someone believes that kneeling before their front door on glass three times a day will give them more grace from God (ridiculous example, I know) we have a right to say, biblical, that is wrong. Grace is a free gift of God, not merited -else, not grace.

As to Romans 14, the context is not judging people weak in faith who have certain practices. We don't want to be a stumbling block to someone's growth. But if their belief is clearly unscriptural and is leading them in the wrong direction, those who are stronger have the obligation to point the error out and try to lead the person back into the right path.


265 posted on 03/04/2006 9:17:07 PM PST by Blogger
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To: jude24
The true church never used or co-opted any pagan rituals

You do know that Baptists use wedding rings?

266 posted on 03/04/2006 9:23:30 PM PST by Titanites (Sola scriptura leads to solo scriptura; both are man-made traditions)
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To: Full Court; jude24

266 was supposed to be addressed to Full Court.


267 posted on 03/04/2006 9:25:30 PM PST by Titanites (Sola scriptura leads to solo scriptura; both are man-made traditions)
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To: Titanites
Where does does the Bible tell you to divide scripture into chapter and verse?

2 Timothy 2:15  
Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

268 posted on 03/05/2006 10:07:04 AM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: Titanites; Full Court
"Where does the Bible tell you to you, as a Christian, to act like an ass?"
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I'm not as well versed as all of you Romanist's, (I don't have a magistrium to tell me what to think and believe) but at least in my church we frown on this ignorant type of language. Full Court must really be hitting some nerves.
269 posted on 03/05/2006 5:26:28 PM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or get out of the Way!)
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To: Titanites
"The true church never used or co-opted any pagan rituals..."
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The true church never has, but the Roman Church has.

Where did praying to dead people come from?
270 posted on 03/05/2006 5:31:27 PM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or get out of the Way!)
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