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Rome and Its "Scarecrows" (Bishop Fellay - SSPX Alert!)
WITL ^ | March 1, 2006 | Rocco Palmo

Posted on 03/02/2006 7:39:14 AM PST by NYer

Continuing the series begun last night, here's some more interesting transcription from remarks given by Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior-General of the Society of St. Pius X, at a Conference in Denver in mid-February. The Society's four bishops, ordained by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1988 in obstinate defiance of the Holy See and the explicit pleas of the late Pope John Paul II, were excommunicated for manifesting schism in ignoring the authority of Rome.

Before running this bit, in which Fellay speaks of the interregnum and his audience with Benedict XVI last 29 August, I must say that I'm quite impressed. I wish my French was as brilliant as his English, and to hear this very enriching audio is, I must say, a real treat. (The SSPX's canonical position, however, remains unchanged.)

If only many of those bishops who have remained in communion with the Holy See could communicate this engagingly and intelligently, we might be better off.

That said, more snips -- all transcribed from the audio:

Since the year 2000, there is a mood from Rome which is more positive -- you have Rome who comes to us and says "We want to solve the provblem. We have a problem there, so lets's solve it." So it is something positive. I don't say totally but there is a certain goodwill on the side of Rome. And we said at that time, "Listen, we don't trust you. You've been so mean with us, we are not going into anykind of agreement. First, you show that you really want us. And we are not interested with words, we want facts. So give the proof that we can trust you again. And so we propose you two things -- you may do many more, but these two: First, give the freedom of the Mass, and take away this scarecrow? scarecrow? -- these bad terms which you use against us -- like 'excommunication,' 'schismatics,' and so on."

In fact, that does not touch us at all. The Mass: we have it. We don't need permission; we have it. And excommunication, it's about like water on the feathers of a duck. That means it neither makes us cold nor warm. We don't care because we very well know that it is not fitting....

We did ask for us, we did ask these as signs -- we wanted to see that Rome was ready to do at least that, to show that they are, and up to which degree they are, in favor of Tradition. Because as long as Rome is not in favor of Tradition -- and once again, not in words but in deeds -- there will be no agreement. Impossible! Because it means suicide.

And, once again, when we started by this, the answers from Rome were: about the excommunication, 'Well, we will lift it up when we make the agreement.' And about the Mass, as I told you, 'While the Pope does agree, all the heads of the Congregations, the Cardinals, agree -- but the secretaries, the undersecretaries, they don't agree, so we cannot give it to you.' .... Under John Paul II, we had several back-and-forth, but more or less always with the same topic: that is, we continuing to say 'You are very kind with us, it's very nice from you to think about giving us something, like an Apostolic Administration, but first, first, you have to regain our trust. And to regain the trust is not just to make us a nice smile, but to show in the church, in the direction of the church, in the life of the church, that you really do want to reintroduce the Tradition'.....

Precisely one week before the end of the Synod, someone who was working on the progject or very close to it was firmly certain that at the end of the Synod a text would be published allowing, at least partially, the old Mass. And nothing happened. Well, not exactly nothing -- what happened was a counter-action from the progressists. It is a letter written ans signed by the prefect and the secretary of the congrewgation for the liturgy. A letter -- they call it a note, a secret note. Of it we know that it has seven pages, and we know that it says to the Pope 'You cannot allow the freedom of the Mass -- of the Old Mass -- because it has been abrogated, abolished, by rhe new Mass.' And now, the author of this letter who is Archbishop Sorrentino -- secretary of the Congregation for the Worship -- ater this letter he has been kicked out of office. He is now the archbishop of Assisi. *LAUGHTER* But he's no longer in Rome.

And nevertheless, the same cardinal [Arinze] just a few days ago said again the same -- attacked again, again, the Pope, trying to prohibit or to prevent the Pope to give any easiness to the old Mass in the name of the new. So, we have these different things, and you see they don't happen.....

So if these projects become, one day, reality, wait and see. Don't believe that because you hear the rumor in Rome, this will happen tomrorow. Don't believe that. In part it's absolutely normal -- it's absolutely normal that these people in Rome which are the authority reflect on possible projects.

Now, of course, en plus we have big problems, and these problems mean that there's a fight in the church. You have different tendencies: you have the progressists, you have the conservative. And then also in Rome, you have certain other, other things, like "lobbies": Mafia, the Freemasons. So it's a whole thing, it's a whole combination of various things which makes that ideas, projects will find counter-projects, things put into the drawer, and so on. And so don't rush after these rumours -- don't!

TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; History; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; fellay; pope; sspx; vatican

1 posted on 03/02/2006 7:39:16 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Part 1 - Fellay: "Arinze Attacked the Mass"
2 posted on 03/02/2006 7:40:18 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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And excommunication, it's about like water on the feathers of a duck. That means it neither makes us cold nor warm. We don't care because we very well know that it is not fitting....

This whole transcript leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Pope Benedict XVI must truly be a humble and holy shepherd to be able to put up with the arrogance and condescension of this man and still beg him to come back home to the loving arms of a father. If this is truly Fellay's attitude and not just trash talking for the audience's entertainment, then there will be no reconciliation.

The whole tenor of Fellay's words communicates that he sees Rome as the prodigal son in need of reconciliation, and not vice versa.

This, combined with his contemptuous remarks on the validity of the excommunications indicates that there is no impetus driving an SSPX reconciliation. If you truly believe that you are totally in the right and that penalties imposed upon you are invalid, where's the motivation to try and resolve differences?

3 posted on 03/02/2006 8:08:04 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: NYer
Assuming we can trust Rocco's translation, an interesting look at where the players are stacking up on the SSPX controversy.

I now see SSPX coming back into the Church as almost inevitable. I wonder if Fellay is getting advice from someone inside the Vatican--maybe even Benedict himself--on how to play their hand to have the maximum impact when they finally are brought back in...
4 posted on 03/02/2006 8:13:16 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: NYer
And then also in Rome, you have certain other, other things, like "lobbies": Mafia, the Freemasons.


This does not sound like a good-faith effort at reconciliation.

5 posted on 03/02/2006 8:13:39 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: All
Rather than relying on a secondary source, anyone can hear the actual words of Bishop Fellay, in context, for himself here:

Bishop Fellay Conference 2/19/06

A complete text is also to be made available in the future.

6 posted on 03/02/2006 8:26:30 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer
What do they call the program? The Archbishop Fellay Show?
7 posted on 03/02/2006 9:37:14 AM PST by Defiant (DhUmmitude: A fear of Bush spying and of offending Islamic fanatics.)
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To: marshmallow

I couldn't not agree more. The biggest obstacle to the SSPX reconciling with Rome is the attitude of Fellay and the other bishops. This is why I'm not going to hold my breath for this to happen.

8 posted on 03/02/2006 10:17:52 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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It's so remarkable that the SSPX has continued to talk to Rome that I wonder if these latest remarks are just bravado. It's possible the SSPX is in fact moving towards reconciliation, but their pride (and fear of their followers' reactions) makes them sound as if they playing hard to get. I'm somewhat optimistic that they'll be a reconciliation.
9 posted on 03/02/2006 1:04:25 PM PST by utahagen
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To: utahagen

the sspx is right

canon law ,and the magesterium are with the sspx even the pope must follow caon law and the magesterium
the sspx is and will save the church

10 posted on 09/16/2006 7:17:33 AM PDT by JOEBURNES2006
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